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Like Bobby O gauge, I would have bought a few of these had it had a rounded front like the Brooklyn Peter Witt trolleys I remember.
bummer :- ( Tumbleweed 381 |
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You can have an authentic Brooklyn Peter Witt today, but you have to assemble it. Q-Car Company has all the parts you need, including a really prototypical body (round ends and all).
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I have a few of the SPTC PCCs and they are indeed top notch. However, with the price I paid, I am absolutley petrified of tinkering with them in any way. ha ha. Actually thinking of selling them to fund some additional pirchases |
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As far as I can tell the following kits or bodies for Peter Witt cars have been marketed since 1940 on O Gauge
Car Works Indianapolis Body for 100-125 also for 126-190 Bill Flatt Toronto small Witt brass etchings Bill Flatt Toronto Large Witt brass etchings Bob Graham Brooklyn Witts (about 1940) HO Trolley and Supply (brass etchings sold to Locomotive Workshop ) --- Cleveland Witt 450-499 --- Cleveland Modern Witt 4000-4149 Locomotive Workshop Brooklyn Witt cast Ken Kidder Philadelphia Witt brass body Q-Car Brookly cast epoxy body Most of these have not been made for many moons so watch for them on auction sites or at trolley shows such as East Penn which will be running at the end of May. People keep harping on the square shape of the Baltimore car.These cars were products of the 1930s when the body styling was given a more "modern" appearance closer to a bus body. The Brooklyn cars and the Kuhlman "Car Rider" Witts reflected car styling of 20 years before. Bill Culliton Frontier Electric Railway |
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I agree with Allan M! The bowsers are tinplate trolleys... crude for O scale! IF there is a trolley to purchase, it's the Western Hobbycraft one with a LOT of details! member: TCA |
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Whoo says the Bowsers could not be purchased and upgraded. Atlas did that with Industrial Rail!
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I can look, but I don't think Houston Electric had them. That would be neat: a Houston Electric and Houston METRO Siemens S-70 LRT cars next to each other. (LRT importers: Hint, hint S-70, S70.......)
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The Bowser(Pittman)trolleys were a break through 60 years ago. They have outlived their usefulness.There would have to be too much done to bring them up to todays standards.Let them die a peaceful death. There are enough floating around for those who want them.
The Industrial Rail (Atlas ) cars were 1:55 which is way small for O guage.From what I can see the new Williams cars will have features that have not been seen before. If as someone said they may make them available with 2 rail profile wheels I will be sorely tempted to get one in Baltimore livery which is the most accurate one.The two outside wheels can be grounded since current collection will be from the 3rd rail suspended 4 1/2 inches above the running rails.( overhead wire) Dominic: Not strictly Houston Electric.McGregor Models which was sold thru Northwest Shortline at one time had a cast epoxy kit for a Galveston -Houston Redbird Bill Culliton Frontier Electric Railway |
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Dominic:
Made my first mistake this year. Its tough to be perfect. The Galveston -Houston cars were Bluebirds not Redbirds.In the NWSL catalog P13 these kits are available as teh Seattle Everett bodies which were the same as the Bluebirds.Price for the cast epoxy body kit is 99.50 .I have built several of the McGregor kits and like them. Power is left to you. NWSL has been taken over by OSORAIL and I haven't figured their website out yet and don't know if they still stock the McGregor kits. Bill Culliton Frontier Electric Railway |
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Bachmann/Williams now advising fall delivery of O-scale "Peter Witts" at $229.95.
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Can anybody point me to a dealer(s) that takes preorders for Bachh/Will?
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CHICAGOLAND is already taking pre-orders at less than $200. I noticed on their website,
I am still hoping for a scale wheel version. I wonder if someone will make curved fronts for conversion to a more common type Peter Witt. JJ |
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Diggit!! Think I'll be giving them a call on Tuesday. Thanks JJ |
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My first post on this forum! I am not into subways but I seem to have caught the tolley bug. I think that a Baltimore car will be a great addition to my new 1/48 scale "Trolley Musuem." Thanks for posting the information.
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Washington D.C. trolley system was 3-rail--sort of.   |
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As was New York City (Manhattan) center 3rd rail in former cable slot. Lee |
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Are the Williams streetcars available yet?
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The last I heard, they will be available late November. Elliot |
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Here's what Bachmann has to say about it: http://www.bachmanntrains.com/...p/topic,10118.0.html Strange that people seem to be reluctant to ask the manufacturer. Cheers, Lee |
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...That's what Bachmann had to say in August. Now they say November. Walthers still has a 10/31 expected date posted. However, Horizon Hobby Distributors now shows 11/30 as their expected in-hands date.
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It would be a shame for them to miss the holiday selling season this year, given that a trolley line is a great addition to any ceramic village scene and that the trolley itself might make a darn nice Christmas present. But with the way things are going these days in terms of the sometimes huge gaps between announced release dates and actual release dates (with all manufacturers), nothing really surprises me.
Allan Miller, Editor-In-Chief O Gauge Railroading magazine |
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I recently ran across a historic photograph of the Phoenix trolley system I had not seen before and it looked like it had the flat face like the Baltimore version.
It was somewhere in public and I just can't remember when. I think a trip to the library is order. Jonathan Peiffer Modeling the NY&LB in Arizona Still counting rivets ... always so many to count |
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The pre purchase prices of these cars keeps dropping.Chicagoland has a price of about $160 and now Micro-Mark has a price of about 132. Delivery now expcted late Winter 2010.
One solution if you want to run on 2 rail is to hand lay some old code 172 rail. This should give enough clearance for the 3 rail wheels. Bill Culliton Frontier Electric Railway |
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The production sample that was passed around the Grandstand presentation during the Spring '09 York show did not appear to have excessively large (by 3-rail standards) flanges. The wheels themselves were pretty small.
On my 'test track' layout, I have Code 148 rail as part of some converted Atlas 2-rail switches making up my yard ladder, and haven't had any problems with flanges bottoming out on them. All the rolling stock that has ever run on that layout traverses those switches as part of their run. ---PCJ |
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Update! These beauties now probably won't be available until Spring of 2010. This information comes directly from the Bachmann reps at their booth at York this afternoon. They originally had an October ETA but production delays overseas now has the schedule pushed back,
 On a positive note however, I understand MicroMark is taking preorders at a price too low to mention.... Elliot |
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