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Yes, and I just got an e-mail about the November announcements. The GP9 is $529 MSRP.

Makes those $399 MSRP U23B Trainman's look like a great bargain.

Fred

Definitely a little pricey for a GP-9.

Pre-order probably will be around $450.

Great things Atlas has made...but, they've priced me out of the engine market. With their freight cars approaching the $100 point...I'll be out of that market soon, as well.

It's a good thing I have plenty of the previously "cheaper" stuff from all of these guys.

There's no way to justify spending $500+ for a diesel...or any engine for that matter.

It's the economy stupid. I have, actually, escaped any real damage...but, psychologically...this hobby is economically insane.

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Great things Atlas has made...but, they've priced me out of the engine market. With their freight cars approaching the $100 point...I'll be out of that market soon, as well.

It's a good thing I have plenty of the previously "cheaper" stuff from all of these guys.

There's no way to justify spending $500+ for a diesel...or any engine for that matter.

I feel your pain but there are some deals out there if you wait & when you purchase slightly used!
At least you will know it works!

Yep, Makes the Lionel Legacy units a real deal with their increased detailing and superior electronics.

But I'm sure some Soo Line and SP fans will be happy with the Geep9 releases.

I'm tempted on that NYC trainman RPO myself actually.

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Originally posted by prrhorseshoecurve:
.....I feel your pain but there are some deals out there if you wait & when you purchase slightly used!

The trouble is that (I suppose because relatively few are made compared to other manufacturers) previously issued Atlas O engines are practically non-existent on Ebay, for example. In fact, because the quantities made are far more limited these days, previous Lionel engines can be very scarce as well. I've been watching the Bay for over a year for four different Lionel engines (all made in the last 3 years) and haven't seen any of them.

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Originally posted by DaveJfr0:
Yep, Makes the Lionel Legacy units a real deal with their increased detailing and superior electronics.

But I'm sure some Soo Line and SP fans will be happy with the Geep9 releases.

I agree with SD60M that this hobby is getting economically insane. It's requiring extreme selectivity from me these days. I'm trying to be satisfied with what I already have, mostly. That said, having grown up in Wisconsin in the heart of Soo Line country, I've been waiting a long time for a nice Soo TMCC engine in the old Pine Tree scheme. Ouch! I didn't see this one coming!

Granted, this hobby has gotten more expensive than it has in the past but there are still other hobbies that are FAR more expensive.

The top end price range means that purchases have to be made with more critical thought, since there will be less purchases and less products made. It will mean that everybody will have to read more rosters, read more train lists, and study photos more closely than they have in the past 10 years. You will have to choose only what is exactly right for you.

Andrew

I hear you guys about the price increases, but you get what you pay for. IMO, Atlas O has consistently produced the best, most protypically correct MODELS in the O gauge market.

Yes indeed - I agree with SD60 as Atlas (even with its nice products) has also priced me out. Just like Lionel did some years ago. Even a non-powered is now $230! I'm glad to see the eastern railroads (including NE) in the mix but for an $80 B&M combo I'll wait for a gift. These pricing decisions by Atlas suggest a disdain for the O-gauger/O-scaler who is retired or dealing with these hard times. Wait for the Mexico connection. As Mel Brooks may have said "It's good to have big money" (as well as being the king)!!

O-b

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Yep, Makes the Lionel Legacy units a real deal with their increased detailing and superior electronics.
DaveJfr0

Sorry but I don't get it? Dave you know as well as I do Lionel doesn't make too many roadnames in diesels PLUS the latest catalog shows the Lionel Gp7 MSRP of $549.99 with incorrect handrails.

The Atlas O Msrp on the GP7 phase II is 529.95 with a preorder street price of 424.00 Granted the Atlas O unit will not have Legacy but the prices are a little lower on the Atlas O side. Question is which do you favor? More detail & accuracy or more electronics?

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Originally posted by prrhorseshoecurve:

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Yep, Makes the Lionel Legacy units a real deal with their increased detailing and superior electronics.
DaveJfr0

Sorry but I don't get it? Dave you know as well as I do Lionel doesn't make too many roadnames in diesels PLUS the latest catalog shows the Lionel Gp7 MSRP of $549.99 with incorrect handrails.

The Atlas O Msrp on the GP7 phase II is 529.95 with a preorder street price of 424.00 Granted the Atlas O unit will not have Legacy but the prices are a little lower on the Atlas O side. Question is which do you favor? More detail & accuracy or more electronics?

$454 is the justrains price and is close to your street price listed.

I can always put more accuracy (besides, AtlasO leaves off a lot of road-particular detail as it is and just puts the same horn on in different locations), but swapping the electronics out so that all of my engine's don't sound the same is much harder to change. The quill-able horn and legacy speed control are worth that slightly higher street price.

I agree. Lionel is shooting themselves in the foot by not following what AtlasO does and releasing 4-5 new road names of a prototype loco at a time, every catalog.

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Originally posted by SD60M:
Great things Atlas has made...but, they've priced me out of the engine market. With their freight cars approaching the $100 point...I'll be out of that market soon, as well.

It's a good thing I have plenty of the previously "cheaper" stuff from all of these guys.

There's no way to justify spending $500+ for a diesel...or any engine for that matter.

It's the economy stupid. I have, actually, escaped any real damage...but, psychologically...this hobby is economically insane.

True, at one time an A-B-A set was that price. They need to re-think their pricing or offer conventional.

having Jeff paint 3 for me and for less than the cost of 2! Way to go Atlas!

I guess I'm the outcast but depending on the diesel and roadname, I'd pay $500 if I had to and it was something I wanted. Inflation makes everything go up in price. There will be a day that O scale diesels will routinely be $1000. Mark my words.

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$454 is the justrains price and is close to your street price listed.

JusTrains of Delaware is no longer an Atlas dealer and everything they still have is on clearance........so how can this be a pre-order price on a just announced Atlas locomotive.


Enjoy

Frank

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Originally posted by bazonkers:
I guess I'm the outcast but depending on the diesel and roadname, I'd pay $500 if I had to and it was something I wanted. Inflation makes everything go up in price. There will be a day that O scale diesels will routinely be $1000. Mark my words.

If they're going to try and get those prices they had better start doing road specific details instead of one size fits all (they should be doing this already with the current prices).

Anything over $300 is too much for a diesel, these are starting to be like buying new cars where the street value is much less.

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Originally posted by LVfan:

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$454 is the justrains price and is close to your street price listed.

JusTrains of Delaware is no longer an Atlas dealer and everything they still have is on clearance........so how can this be a pre-order price on a just announced Atlas locomotive.


Enjoy

Frank

$454 is the Justrains of Delaware preorder price on the new lionel geeps that MSRP for $550, sorry, I didn't make that clear.

This price is higher than the suggested street price on the Atlas units by another forumite, but I'm saying the ~$25 higher price is worth it for the legacy sounds and speed control which is above what comes with third party guys at this time. There was also the argument made on better detailing from AtlasO. I'm not convinced entirely on this argument as Atlas still doesn't necessarily put road specific detailing and I would need to replace horns and add other apparatus depending on unit depicted.

(This is also not to mention I would still have to work just as hard on fixing the pilots if I bought either model, but that's besides point.)

As others have suggested, people are going to have to start getting picky with whom they purchase models and whether or not certain details are more important the electronics that come inside. I guess if I had to take a stance, for roughly around the same price point, I can get a locomotive that I'd still need to add detail to either way and get better sounds and controls.

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$454 is the preorder on the new lionel geeps that MSRP for $550, sorry, I didn't make that clear.

Thanks Dave


Enjoy

Frank

Wooohooo! Canadian Pacific GP-9 in "block" lettering, with correct headlights even. Does anyone know when the CPR C-630's will be shipping? Al

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Does anyone know when the CPR C-630's will be shipping?

The Atlas shipping schedule has them listed for December.......perhaps you get lucky and get them for Christmas.


Enjoy

Frank

Interesting,

The federal government has officially stated there was no inflation in 2009 to the point of not increasing the maximum social security wage or the 401K limits for 2010 and there will be no Social Security COLA for 2010 and the Fed is keeping interest rates very low. And yet here is an 7% price increase in 5 months since the last run of GP7s was announced.

Hmmmm.

Those CP Geeps are lookin' mighty fine! Still got my K-Line "Canadian" passenger set, so
a couple of these would have something to pull. Beauty, eh!

What is very unprototypical planning on the part of somebody at Atlas O is to offer just one of the CN INTERMODAL Tire Trailers from the 1985 SuperModal Trailer series. Then to include it only with a Front Runner is more strange. There were only 2 trailers with those graphics in a series of 11 trailers.

If the people at Atlas O were to make it with some long term plan in mind they would have noted that this was the first in the series.

Five of the CN special graphic trailers should be include with the Front Runners and the other 5 graphic trailers plus the lead SuperModal Trailer must be made available seperately with a CN Highway Tractor.

That is a special series, not a single trailer concept.

The trailers for the SuperModal series were:
One SuperModal
Two Tires
Two Fish
Two Candy
Two Clothing/Fashion
Two Apples
Meaning there were 11 trailers total.

Why did Atlas O get hooked by the people at M.T.H. and Lionel by not making the series right. The people at Atlas O did the BN City Series in a planned manner and announced it.

Andrew

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Originally posted by falconservice:
What is very unprototypical planning on the part of somebody at Atlas O is to offer just one of the CN INTERMODAL Tire Trailers from the 1985 SuperModal Trailer series. Then to include it only with a Front Runner is more strange. There were only 2 trailers with those graphics in a series of 11 trailers.

If the people at Atlas O were to make it with some long term plan in mind they would have noted that this was the first in the series.

Five of the CN special graphic trailers should be include with the Front Runners and the other 5 graphic trailers plus the lead SuperModal Trailer must be made available seperately with a CN Highway Tractor.

That is a special series, not a single trailer concept.

The trailers for the SuperModal series were:
One SuperModal
Two Tires
Two Fish
Two Candy
Two Clothing/Fashion
Two Apples
Meaning there were 11 trailers total.

Why did Atlas O get hooked by the people at M.T.H. and Lionel by not making the series right. The people at Atlas O did the BN City Series in a planned manner and announced it.

Andrew

Good Day Andrew,

Do you have any pictures of these CN special graphic trailers? Producing the entire series is a great idea.

Regards,
Swafford

Swafford,

I have some pictures of the CN SuperModal Series in print form from the CN Public Relations Department in Toronto. I would have to carefully get them out of their envelope and digitally photograph them, then send the photos to photobucket to make them be seen as a forum posting.

Andrew.

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Originally posted by falconservice:
Swafford,

I have some pictures of the CN SuperModal Series in print form from the CN Public Relations Department in Toronto. I would have to carefully get them out of their envelope and digitally photograph them, then send the photos to photobucket to make them be seen as a forum posting.

Andrew.

Sounds great. I'd be very interested in seeing those as well.

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Originally posted by falconservice:
Swafford,

I have some pictures of the CN SuperModal Series in print form from the CN Public Relations Department in Toronto. I would have to carefully get them out of their envelope and digitally photograph them, then send the photos to photobucket to make them be seen as a forum posting.

Andrew.

The question is, are those graphics appropriate for a 45' Trailer? MTH did theirs on a 48' Trailer... So who is right uh more prototypical?

and IF Atlas O is Wrong, an e-mail directly 2 Atlas O with your pics may fix the issue

The CN Intermodal Trailers were 45' Trailers with rounded front corners, like most railroad owned trailers of the 1980's.

The M.T.H. 48' Trailers are based on a different, later prototype trailer that it more likely owned just by trucking companies.

Andrew

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Inflation makes everything go up in price. There will be a day that O scale diesels will routinely be $1000. Mark my words.

YEp I stated this concept of today's current prices back at the 200o LCCA/Lots Dearborne convention. It's the "rule of 72" where in seven years on average prices on all products double!

thanks andrew for the clarification. I may get this!

There were a some Lionel Diesel Locos in 1995-1999 were in the $500-$800 price range because they were new designs and made in the U.S.A. under Union rules. One a year was enough.

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Originally posted by bazonkers:
Granted, this hobby has gotten more expensive than it has in the past but there are still other hobbies that are FAR more expensive.

I'm afraid that statement isn't of much use to those striving to stay in this hobby, and coping with rising costs of engines. Yes, Grand Prix racing is more expensive. Thoroughbred horse racing is more expensive. America's Cup racing is more expensive. So what? That doesn't make these new O gauge engines any cheaper for those of us who aren't multi-millionaires.

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Originally posted by falconservice:

The trailers for the SuperModal series were:
One SuperModal
Two Tires
Two Fish
Two Candy
Two Clothing/Fashion
Two Apples
Andrew

And a partridge in a pear tree.

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I'm afraid that statement isn't of much use to those striving to stay in this hobby, and coping with rising costs of engines. Yes, Grand Prix racing is more expensive. Thoroughbred horse racing is more expensive. America's Cup racing is more expensive. So what? That doesn't make these new O gauge engines any cheaper for those of us who aren't multi-millionaires.

Thanks...breezinup...

Good Day Andrew,

Thank you for posting the pictures. I wish AtlasO would produce this CN Trailer series.

Regards,
Swafford

Wow, those are neat! I've never seen those before. Thank you!

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The federal government has officially stated there was no inflation

I don't believe Uncle Sam controls inflation in China. Labor rates and production licenses have certainly increased in China.

Atlas O could produce this series if they contacted CN for the photos and artwork. There could also be new scale MACK truck to use with the trailers. The question is would they make the MACK truck 1:50th scale or 1:43rd scale?

Andrew

Just what we need more Macks. They are the Pennsylvania railroad of the model truck world. This is what we need White Compact or White 3000

If there are already the correct or very similar MACK trucks being produced somewhere in China then Atlas O has to get them to be included with their 45' Trailers. A MACK Tractor and Pines Trailer Set will be something worth seeing in an O Scale intermodal yard.

Andrew