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Securing approval without having to pay a substantial royalty was my biggest concern, so I am pumped now that will not be the case. In fact I was told that there would be no royalty since the number of cars made will be small (100 - 300) and not sold for a profit. Will post again as soon as I have information on the design and manufacturer. I lean towards the design of the steel reefer that is pictured above but on a WOODSIDED REEFER with the picture of the tin sign I posted instead of the logo picture shown on the steel reefer.

This is an interesting tidbit. I wonder if others who have done custom Atlas O runs ran into this issue and thus having to release 300-300 cars per run with a couple of years inbetween runs?

Also people interested in the purchase may want to keep this in mind since 300 cars can sell out quickly and if no more can be made...well you know like a juicy steak on a grill.. may collectors would want their prized reefer pieces to be....

also note if atlas O reefer costs per piece is too expensive you do have Joe HAyter at Weaver models too!

Paul I agree that the steel sided reefer art work would look much better on the woodsided reefer with one change. "All Natural Light Beer" never appeared in any of 50's and early 60's advertising and only represents one type of Natty Boh. I think it should be eliminated and replaced with the original Boh slogan - "From the Land of Pleasant Living" "” a reference to the Chesapeake Bay. BTW to call it Natty Boh is a relatively new catch word just like Mickey D. Back in the day you just asked for a Boh.

I'm in agreement with Wild Mary on the wording, and on the woodsided reefer, too!

I'm in. Woodsided please!

I would be interested in a couple of the steel-side reefers from Atlas. It could be Master Line or Train Man. I would not be interested if offered by MTH.

I like your ideas for decoration. If you do an Atlas 40' I'm good for two. Bruce

I also would love to have one.

Spoke with Atlas on Friday and they are sending me the paper work. It looks like it is going to cost me about 8K to 9K to have the minimum of 152 woodside 40 foot reefers made by Atlas. I am waiting to get a final figure from them after the art work is done and approved, so I hope that those that said they want whatever number are serious about wanting them. I have never bought any Weaver woodsided reefers, if they are much cheaper then Atlas would the interest still be the same? I lean towards Atlas myself but it is a big outlay and since I won't be selling them for a profit I have to determine that I am not going to get stuck with a whole bunch of reefers.

Paul thanks for instituting and carrying forth with this project. I will definetly buy 2 reefers. Let's hope that everyone who stated an interest buys at least one and maybe even 2. This is probably going to be a once in a lifetime chance. I'll see what I can do to get a few of my buds to commit also.
I'd also rather have Atlas do them but if Weaver is a LOT more cost effective I'll still take 2.

Paul, thanks for your efforts with this project. I am still good the two.


Milwrd

Paul,
Thanks again for the leg work.
I'm still in for 2. You definitely want to get the money up front so you don't get hosed, although 152 Natty Boh reefer would look really impressive!

Let us know when you want the cash if you still want to go through with it.
Thanks again!

Paul,

I'm pretty confident that you will be able to sell 152 Atlas Natty Boh Reefers.
Like I said before, count me in for one car guaranteed.

As soon as you get the final figures for the cost of the cars I'll be glad to mail you a check in advance. No sense in you taking such a financial risk.

Thanks again for all of your efforts in getting this project going. It's a lot of time and money on your part and all of us here on the forum appreciate your passion for this project.


TrainPop and I visited Purkey's today where I bought an MTH American Beer Reefer and Chuck bought several MTH beer reefers. Purkey's has a very nice assortment of MTH beer cars by the way.


Steve Tapper

I agree a 152 Natty Boh consist would look great.................all the way to divorce court LMAO!

Hi Paul - I agree with Steve - should be easy to sell those out. I also agree that you should get the money up front. If these remain ATLAS I would like one as well - if you have two different numbers - will take two (2).

John

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I have never bought any Weaver woodsided reefers, if they are much cheaper then Atlas would the interest still be the same?

Probably not because:

side "Doors" on Weaver models are painted on

MAy get plastic trucks and couplers

Not that much delicate detail.

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I lean towards Atlas myself but it is a big outlay and since I won't be selling them for a profit I have to determine that I am not going to get stuck with a whole bunch of reefers.

DON'T be a FOOL! All the work and effort is surely worth 10% min! You will find with even two road numbers on a 150 car run that they will sell quickly... esp with ads in OGR! Once you sell out, there will be those late bloomers who will demand another run[ Think of those Bob LAvessi Glueck Reefers! ]... now where do you get the $$ for all that hassle?

Don't just think 3 rail!!! 2 railers will want them too since with a screw driver a car can EASILY convert them. Ad both two railers and 3 railers and your #150 car run is GONE!

VA Golpher... just do us forumites a favor. Post a mailing address when you are ready to Go with this project and people will PAY up front- esp on a small #150 car run.[ Just keep GOOD records and NOte who is paying FIRST so they get first shipment. ]

member: TCA

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Probably not because:


side "Doors" on Weaver models are painted on

MAy get plastic trucks and couplers

Not that much delicate detail.

Thanks I don't have any Weaver and can't remember even seeing a Weaver reefer personally.

I have a few Weaver reefers, and while I like them (for what they are), they are nowhere near as nice as Atlas reefers. The Weaver are not as detailed, but also not as expensive. Either way, I still want at least one. If multiple road numbers can be done, I'd want two.

Personally, I don't think that you'd have any problem getting rid of 150 Atlas reefers sporting the markings of such a popular brand. I, too, will gladly pre-pay for mine.

Andy

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Originally posted by GP:


GP

A Fruit Growers express car will require a license from CSX. I prefer this design on a woodside car.

I like the following design on a steel reefer.

For what it's worth, I'd like to see this in the wood sided reefer. I'm not sure why, but I think Atlas makes a superior product and is willing to work with the hobbiest more than most.

Okay received paperwork from Atlas yesterday and filling it out now. Will keep updating as the process goes along. Gotten great response so far and I do appreciate the offers I have recieved to make advanced payment which does make things easier on my pocketbook LOL! Will let everyone know how things are going along, what the cost will be when I get the final cost from Atlas, when Atlas will be actually making the reefers, etc. If 200 are made I can get 2 road numbers 152 minimum only 1 road number so am looking at stretching it out to 200 so we can get 2 road numbers, but no promises

Paul again thanks for what you are doing for the forum. We all owe you big time. Two road numbers would be great if you can pull it off. With two #'s the 200 cars are probably already sold!

Ditto what prrhorseshoecurve said above.

I'd like to pay for two up front as early as possible: one reefer because I like the design; and a second reefer because how much more cool can you get than OGR forumites getting together to do something like this? I hope we'll see some more!

Kudos again to Paul S. for having a great idea and making it happen!

Paul, I will pay you up front for two.

I would like to get one. What are the payment details?
BTW Thank you for taking the initiative on this Boh Reefer project.

I will let everyone know what the exact price will be once I get the final quote from Atlas and when to make payment. I am trying to get this done so hopefully we can have the cars by early spring at the latest.

Ok, Paul, you got the reefer situation handled nicely. (I'm gratefully in for one each of the two different numbers).

Now, what about the Miller Engineering Natty Boh sign??

And the MTH Natty Boh Brewery?

And the diecast Natty Boh tractor-trailers?

Andy

Spring delivery! That'll be perfect for eating steamed hard crabs with a cold Natty Boh, watching the Natty Boh reefer rolling down the tracks!
Thanks again, Paul!

Just an update. I received the papers from Atlas and have mailed them back. Waiting for their artwork based on my photos and instructions so can approve or make changes. The they will quote a final price and if I don't die of sticker shock it's to the manufacturing schedule. LOL!

Thank you for the update. Seems like things are going smoooth.
Do you have a brewery on your railroad?

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Originally posted by pennsyk4:
Thank you for the update. Seems like things are going smoooth.
Do you have a brewery on your railroad?

Everyone needs a brewery on their railroad. Now if we could get Miller Eng. to make a Mr Boh neon sign that would be cool.

hello all this is my first post here but i couldn't wait to respond about the natty boh car! i'll take at least one and will gladly pay as soon as you have the details

Hi spifff and welcome to the forum. I can already tell you have good taste. There's a bunch of good guys here willing to help out a new guy so jump on board and enjoy the ride. It's an adventure even on dull days. Looking forward to your participation.

Nick;
Why don't you send a copy of that image to Chris Miller (Miller Engr) and see what kind of feedback you get?

I'll do it today Chuck.

Hey, Nick! Mr Boh winks every so often, too. I think it's every 6 minutes.

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Originally posted by wild mary:

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Originally posted by pennsyk4:
Thank you for the update. Seems like things are going smoooth.
Do you have a brewery on your railroad?

Everyone needs a brewery on their railroad. Now if we could get Miller Eng. to make a Mr Boh neon sign that would be cool.

I do have a brewery on my layout but would rename it in an instant if Miller Eng. could produce a lighted Mr. Boh neon sign!

Let us know Nick if something like that can be done.

Steve Tapper

Paul,
I'll take two, one of each number. Otherwise I'm in for one. I'll gladly pay up front.

Thanks,
Bob

I don't want this topic to get too far off the reefer but does anyone know why Mr Boh only has one eye? I know the correct answere.

Wild Mary : Back in the early 70's, there was a poster of a girl in a T-shirt with a picture of Mr. Boh on one of her(ahem).... Anyway, the caption was "Can you find Mr.Boh's other eye?" I had that one hung in my locker on ship (along with a nicer picture from Penthouse). Do you remember my Dad: Art Young Jr., nicknamed "Goober" in route sales and later on a towmotor when they moved to the Beltway plant. He's still kicking at 81.

Nick,
I seem to remember from many years gone by something about after so many Natty Boh, one could only keep one eye open!

Me, heck after so many I couldn't keep either eye open!

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Originally posted by TrainPop:
Nick;
Why don't you send a copy of that image to Chris Miller (Miller Engr) and see what kind of feedback you get?

I received an email from Chris early this morning thanking me for the Boh image photo. He said he's aware of the sign and it's being considered for future production. At least our foot is in the door. We'll see what develops.

Man, what a deal. First, the Natty Boh Reefers, then the sign. Now all we need is for MTH to make a Natty Boh engine (ala Yuengling) or a switcher (ala Iron City). Then take the MTH Brewery and make into a National Brewery and we have Brewer's Hill. Hmmmmm? Might have to stick a Schaefer (sp) Brewery in there for accuracy's sake? Nah!!!!!!!!!!

As Chuck used to say "Go to war Ms Agnes, ain't the beer cold".

Check out the Brewery or Brew pub nearest you on this MAP

Well back from the weekend at St. Michaels, MD and received an email from the National Boh folks that the idea of using "Brewed on the shores of the Chesapeake Bay" will not fly with Pabst(present owners of National Bohemian for those that were unaware of that), and the recomended using another old Natty Boh commercial line "From the Land of Pleasant Living" which I think is just as good and can live with. Just wanted to keep ya'll updated.

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Originally posted by pennsyk4:
Check out the Brewery or Brew pub nearest you on this MAP

The one nearest me scores pretty low, and there's nothing fantastic within 100 miles. Luckily, I've got a home-brewing friend who provides some wonderful weizen beer: thanks, Ken!

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Originally posted by VaGolfer1950:
Well back from the weekend at St. Michaels, MD and received an email from the National Boh folks that the idea of using "Brewed on the shores of the Chesapeake Bay" will not fly with Pabst(present owners of National Bohemian for those that were unaware of that), and the recomended using another old Natty Boh commercial line "From the Land of Pleasant Living" which I think is just as good and can live with. Just wanted to keep ya'll updated.

I prefer that slogan. Do you remember the jingle?

National Beer, National Beer!
You'll love the taste of National Beer
From the land of pleasant living
We bring you National Beer!

Can't imagine why Pabst would balk at free advertising, but imagine, your product logo and slogan on display at no cost all across the country . . . must be an excess in the advertising budget

"From the Land of Pleasant Living"
Sounds great, lets go!
Brewery, and sign, too!

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Originally posted by VaGolfer1950:
Well back from the weekend at St. Michaels, MD and received an email from the National Boh folks that the idea of using "Brewed on the shores of the Chesapeake Bay" will not fly with Pabst(present owners of National Bohemian for those that were unaware of that), and the recomended using another old Natty Boh commercial line "From the Land of Pleasant Living" which I think is just as good and can live with. Just wanted to keep ya'll updated.

How ironic that Pabst is now the present owner of National Bohemian beer. Back in the early 70's Natty Boh and Pabst were fighting for market penetration in the Baltimore/Washington area. National was number one but losing market share rapidly to Pabst.

Pabst was the the hottest brand in town despite a surly distributor and route drivers with "attitude problems". The retailers fought back a bit but the public demand for Pabst, which boasted a slogan of "Premium beer at popular prices", kept the younger generation begging for more.

This was also the generation of rebellion and a lot of the younger folks did not want to drink the same beer as their fathers and uncles.

The 70's were a turbulent time for many of the regional brewers as the National brands such as Budweiser, Schlitz, Miller and Pabst became available at prices similar to the local brands. In many cases, the National brands constructed breweries closer to the major markets to reduce shipping costs and their increased volume allowed them tremendous production cost savings versus the smaller regional brewers.

Steve Tapper

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Originally posted by VaGolfer1950:
Well back from the weekend at St. Michaels, MD and received an email from the National Boh folks that the idea of using "Brewed on the shores of the Chesapeake Bay" will not fly with Pabst(present owners of National Bohemian for those that were unaware of that), and the recomended using another old Natty Boh commercial line "From the Land of Pleasant Living" which I think is just as good and can live with. Just wanted to keep ya'll updated.

Paul hope you enjoyed your weekend in St. Michaels. It's one of my favorite spots for a weekend get-away. The Hyatt/Golf Resort just down 50 a piece in Cambridge ain't too shabby either. Anyway "From the Land of Pleasant Living" works for me. Thanks for the update. I'm really excited by the whole thing.