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Excellent point. So very true.. Joe |
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None of us know for sure why he is selling so why is it sad? People sell stuff everyday for any number of reasons! Thats life!
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I do not understand what this all has to do with Obama. I am grateful for the $25,000 check the government sent me and i have not yet spent it all.
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Exactly! Without knowing the person, everyone is just guessing. There may be a direct connection, which would cause many to require feet to be extracted. |
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I have no idea why this gentleman is selling his collection. I have no idea of what his personal situation is, and I doubt if anyone here can accurately determine anything about him from the ebay listing.
As far as the asking price, I'm sure most folks here on this forum would put far too high a value on their own collections, when it came down to setting an "asking price". The primary determining factor on a "fair" price, is whether you are the buyer, or the seller. It's usually somewhere in between. Let's just hope all works out for this guy, whatever his reason for the sale. REV This message has been edited. Last edited by: revitupfaster, |
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Interesting thread. It reveals far more about the members of the forum than than it does the ebay seller.
And yes, he has an unfortunate negative attitude which he has probably had to some degree all his life. |
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When I started this thread I ask for it not to get political. For some it not only became political but down right mean. I don't know anything about this guy other than he's hurting. Yes, he blamed Obama but we tend to blame someone when we are broke and hurting. My impression was he is older and has been buying trains most of his adult like. Maybe his trains aren't worth what he's asking but most likely our own trains aren't what we think their worth. I am a little ashamed of some of the folks on this Forum. No matter the reason, the guy has to sell something he loves. That's sad. I simply felt sorry for him and wouldn't want any of you in that position. Don
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Whom ever put this on ebay doesn't know a hell of a lot about trains. The tenders are all seperate from the engines, and the girls tender is shown turned backwards.
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This guy previously tried to sell his collection for $75,000 some time ago. Some items may have been removed since then.
Even at $40,000, that is some serious money, only the very wealthy or dealers intent on breaking up would be interested. I just the love the concept that just because someone thinks that their collection is 'great' that everyone else should too. Michael    |
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Well, tell us Eddie with all of your insightfulness and infinite wisdom, what would be the proper way of taking pictures for Ebay? Because I am sure that is going to be the deal breaker for a potential buyer, I can see it now. "Well I know your down on your luck with the President and everything, and I was going to offer you full price, til I seen that girls tender there was turned backwards". Yep......think I'm gonna have to pass on this. |
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You only get one chance to make a good first impression. I doubt that Allan would accept that writing level for an article. Or that OGR would survive at that level. Gerry |
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As many have mentioned, he's going to be lucky to even get half. In this age of scale, sound and electronic control, there is not that much interest in conventional stuff unless its cheap and this is not cheap! One only has to visit train shows to see this is a lost cause with older Lionel returning year after year on the same tables.
Certainly if it is primo and boxed there is a demand but this is neither. Brian. |
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I hear that SIREN again...oh...it's just the Ebay police...SUGGESTING how to sell...how to photograph...how to arrange tenders...setting a FAIR price. At least it's the same OFFICERS...Let me talk to them and calm them down!!!
 GET BACK IN YOUR CARS...There's a 401K in progress at Hollywood & Vine!!! |
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Absurdity won't help the seller or buyer... BUT, You only get one chance to make a good first impression. If the seller is serious, he missed the boat by matching & showing his equipment in as good a fashion/presentation as possible. Rob Proprietor, Manchester Midland & Adirondack Regional Railroad |
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It's not the FACT that the tender is backwards. It's the PRINCIPLE. That makes me say, "Look at this guy, he probably didn't take good care of those trains and probably doesn't know a lot about them given he just has them sloppily presented on the shelves." Obviously this may not be the case but that's just the impression it makes on me.
In any case, he definitely shot himself in the foot with the Obama remark. -Nicholas Anthony D'Alessandro |
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I thought his communication was dead on. Proper communication is writing according to the audience, so the reader perceives the work with the correct meaning and intent. Looks to me like he got it!  |
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Large collections of not-so-rare items go for pennies on the dollar, especially when the seller refuses to break them up. If he were desperate he would have Stout/Nette etc auction them off.
If he were truly desperate he would go to a local auctioneer. But I paid XYZ for these, well that's great I am willing to pay ABC. If you want an investment.. make one Coca Cola, Exxon Mobil, Kraft. They all pay a dividend as well. Trains... toy trains pay dividends.. in fun not funds  P.S. BNSF, UP, CSX, CN pay dividends. |
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Most everything to be covered in the thread has been covered.
West Islip, NY is not cheap digs. But given a long boom through much of the 70's, 80's, and 90's, he very well could have done well enough in a blue-color job to easily earn those trains. His asking price is more likely what he needs, not what he can realistically get. Hidden somewhere in this thread is a lesson for those of us who buy more stuff than develop our modeling skills, or buy more stuff than we can really afford. Jon 
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Oh sure KoolJock1, use logic and reason.. where is the fun in that
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Seaboard99, My thoughts exactly - you put it very well. Why are this guy's troubles the fault of our President? And even from a marketing standpoint with his approach who is even going to be interested in making a bid? Talk about turning off any potential customers! Bob |
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For all you guys know, the seller could have moved to West Islip forty years ago, and have his house fully paid off. When I lived on Long Island areas like West Islip were very affordable for folks holding blue colar jobs. (That was some time ago) Today's Long Island taxes are another matter. C.W. Burfle |
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Agreed. My folks property taxes on the South Shore of Suffolk County are more than my mortgage and taxes in Vermont combined. But then, you can't make a decent living in Vermont unless you work for the hospital or the University.
"Moonlight in Vermont"... or starve... Jon
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Never use RED in the description. A big NO NO
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This auction is odd. The seller made these conditions: local pick up, high price, not particularly rare items, no break up. Yet, he took the trouble to photograph everything presumably to encourage a sale. So, who would buy this stuff? Someone willing to truck it all away (at the buyer's expense), acquiring not-so-rare items, for a high price? The price, costs and efforts would seem to preclude a dealer's purchasing it. An individual would probably not be interested in it to add to a collection. Who's left? So, what if the seller listed it for something other than a sale? What would that person try to document by making it look like there is an auction, but not really? The answer is we will never know, unless we have more information. Seller is making a point, but I know not what. Maybe the seller is frustrated or angry about something-himself?
Best, Mark |
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Wow, if this is with the bailout, without it he'd probably be selling his underwear on Ebay.
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Maybe he's been lurking around OGR and that's what did it. |
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This wouldn't be my type of trains to begin with. I prefer command type engines with all the sounds and cruise. I also agree that it is a bad idea to bring up politics when trying to sell something. Even if Obama fired him directly it still would hurt his chances at a buyer. He needs to sale through an auction house. Scott Smith This message has been edited. Last edited by: scott.smith, |
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Don't know what you are all (y'all) griping about. It was clearly Obama's fault that he bought too many trains and now wants mo money!
It's Obama's fault for everything!! |
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How can you guys take any of this seriously? It's like fingernails on the blackboard.
"Heart broken (Heartbroken) Must sell this huge lot of postwar and prewar lionel trains. I will not break up the set.Over forty years of collecting is being sold. This is for the person that has every thing (everything). Two (Too) many train (trains) to put (their) picture (pictures) on here but check the link below. feel free to call 646 296 4552 These are top quality trains( this is not a kids set. I was never able to display all my trains(.) there (There) are to (too) many(.) I would need twice the room you see in the pics. I have many other items that will go with them including the tracks and many misc. items You can view entire lot copy and paste or click link. http://picasaweb.google.com/no...NSET?feat=directlink This is were (where) Obama's bail out got me. Good Luck I Can NOT (cannot) provide shipping(.) you must come and pick them up or arange (arrange) shipping and packing at your own expence (expense)." |
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Found this on a funny website. Reminds me of the way you type...   This message has been edited. Last edited by: NickyBigBoy, -Nicholas Anthony D'Alessandro |
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Sorry Nicky Big Boy but I don't get it? Ron B's response was dead on. His use of caps in his statement is correct. However, I will steal your link for I know some other forumites who definitely fit that poster's message to a T!
ROTFLOL! [although NOT ast funny as the "Poat War" Book cover!]  member: TCA |
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West Islip, along with other areas of Long Island are NO LONGER AFFORDABLE for the average person. I had a great job there, and still couldnt afford to live. Picture having a 3 bedroom house, on a 50x100 piece of property and paying 9,000 Thousand dollars a year in property tax alone! THATS LONG ISLAND! I miss it, but I am in a much better place now! I dont doubtthis is where the bailout got him. 1,000's of people are leaving long island, because they can no longer afford it. There are NO jobs there, Plus, the bail out only helps people who WERENT responsible. Some people that did the right thing, by struggling to pay their mortgage and bills, but still getting it done, are the ones hurting now, because the real estate market is a mess, need to refinance, but cant. I know this for a fact, people that really need the help arent getting it, and the people who were not responsible, living well beyond their means, and defaulted, are the ones getting all the help? I know this because my brother and several friends are going through this now, but are getting kicked in the butt, for being RESPONSIBLE...
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I've noticed in almost all of Ron's posts he uses a lot of caps to "UNLEASH THE FURY!" -Nicholas Anthony D'Alessandro |
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That's What I suspected!  But Look at you and your power move! I bet you are just a hop skip and a jump from Justrains, Just a Hop to Nicholas Smith and near the Brandywine Art Museum for their Xmas Train display!! Lucky Devil you!member: TCA |
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Man, this guy has been in the toaster here for exactly 24 hours, now. He's definitely toast.
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Ron speaks a lot of truth on this one and he has a sense of humor that some can't appreciate. For me, I've come to understand that it's funny because it's true. I'm still laughing at the "we've got a 401K in progress" - LOL
Jonathan Peiffer Modeling the NY&LB in Arizona Still counting rivets ... always so many to count |
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His posts and humor are so hilarious because of the caps lock. That's what the picture was meant to mean...
I guess no one got it....  -Nicholas Anthony D'Alessandro |
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I question the sanity of why anyone would retire in NJ. We have, on average, the highest property taxes in the nation. I'm retireing as early as I hope I can (maybe 62) and moving out of state, leaving this dump behind! TCA# 07-60914 KC2QAY |
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Was wondering, can you imagine if it sold, having to pack and ship all that!
TCA# 07-60914 KC2QAY |
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Don't care who you are - that right there was funny . . . |
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It's that generation gap again, Nicky Boy. |
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I guess that's why I don't get "Moonlight in Vermont"....
-Nicholas Anthony D'Alessandro |
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Yeah, nobody wants that old conventional stuff . . .  |
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Hi Frank, I am here in NY still, been through the YORK scene, on this Saturday to a Greenberg show in Middletown. Twins are doing fine! Now to your comment! From an investment viewpoint and one's interest in life, "you have to know when to hold them and know when to fold them" and that is a personal thing. Only you may fully understand what I mean after our long conversations on this subject. BTW, I did buy a basket case Lionel 665 for a project at the YORK show. Each time I do this, I think of the dozens of the same engine I sold over the years. I bought this one because my interest in life has changed into enhancing some of the PW Lionel models that have character. That is enhancing, not restoring. I will keep everyone posted on the rehabilitation effort as it progresses. Talk to you sooon. The EBAYer has obviously decided to "fold them"! All the best, Hugh |
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Great picture FRANK....That's post-war at it's best.
Eddie G |
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I figured your life had all sorts of news twists in it and suspected you were still up there. I am sure Momma is in her glory. See you when you return. |
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Thank you eddie - just hoping to point out that for some of us the simple beauty and decades old character in post war Lionel trains still has great appeal |
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Frank, your layout style reminds me of the 1949 Lionel showroom layout. Hi-rail scenery combined with postwar trains - nothing beats it!
-Nicholas Anthony D'Alessandro |
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Nicky,
This is "Moonlight In Vermont": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...6Yqw&feature=related This is also "Moonlight In Vermont": http://www.merriam-webster.com...tionary/moonlighting Jon
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