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The O Gauge Railroading On-Line Forum 3-Rail O-Gauge Trains New Train Show to Attend Instead of the TCA Eastern Division York Meet|
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I'll start a new page on this! TCA will change when the will of the membership is there to change it. It can and will change for the better. Our current national president has done a good job of promoting the more inclusionary message that is so desparately needed within the organization.
I am still a Gen-xer, so I certainly do not speak for the majority of members, but I can say that while some in my division may get tired of me talking scale models, I still have never once been laughed at for sharing my comparison of models to the other division members. As an advocate for HO as collectible, I am now asked a lot of questions by the traditional three railers about the HO pieces they have acquired. In return I learn something about PW and pre war trains, or the ins and outs of Dorfan vs. early American Flyer. The point is we all have something to share and all have something to teach. The TCA is as good an organization as any to do that if you are willing to put the effort forward. While everyone in my division certainly does not agree with me, they at least listen and I listen in return. That is what I enjoy most about this hobby. In fact, last Saturday I spent an hour and a half talking to a frequent visitor from TCA east and we had a wonderful discussion that ranged from tin plate to scale models to prototype. I even burned my bald head in the Arizona sun because it was such a fascinating conversation. Could I do that on my own in the workplace, at home, anywhere else? Hardly. Beside the point, you are all spoiled with the number of shows in the east. I know because I attended most of them as a kid and the 4 to 5 local ones a year out here are not even close to what is available. As to York, I hope to make it one day. You really won't know what you are missing until it is gone I suspect. Jonathan Peiffer TCA 01-53047 Modeling the Arizona Subdivisions of the CNJ and PRR  |
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I have never been to York. I just can’t justify the expense of a 1400 mile trip to buy trains. I would love it if there were a show of that magnitude somewhere in the middle of the country a little closer to home. I do have issues with some things concerning the TCA but I don’t find the rules governing York to be unreasonable. Putting on another show while York is going on seems very foolish to me. I wish we could get one good train show here in DFW. Be thankful and appreciative of the Eastern Division for giving you such a fine opportunity instead of whining about strollers and cell phones. I don’t really want to see pictures from York either I’m jealous enough as it is. Papa
Papa Building the Ohio North Coast Railroad one paycheck at a time! The Ohio North Coast Railroad http://www.oncrail.com/ Lone Star Hi-Railers http://www.lonestarhirailers.com/ |
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Some one mind explaining why a thread about Howard Zane's show in Timonium managed to drift into a York whining thread?
I went to Timonium LONG before I went to York. Both are interesting shows, being that I cross over from 2 rail O scale to tinplate post war both have their pluses and minuses. I can find a LOT more 2 rail O scale at Timonium than at York. I can find a lot more postwar stuff at York, and completely ignore the new stuff (that I buy at my LHS anyway) that a LOT of us don't care about. So, how about moving the York whining to a York Whining thread, and let this one discuss Howard's show? Stonycreek Valley Railway. A division of Garage of Doom Enterprises LLC. |
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Just a question, does the Centra-Mod club still hold their annual show at the Frank Mayborn center in Temple? When I was stationed at Ft. Hood, that was one of the best shows around. Stonycreek Valley Railway. A division of Garage of Doom Enterprises LLC. |
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Go ahead, Shoot the Messenger. My opinion alone doesn't count for much anyway but the fact is, I'm far from alone. That incident a couple of years ago where you guys acted against a modular group after they admittedly violated the letter* of your photography ban caused me to realize that the TCA is not the kind of organization I want to be associated with. Your ignorant "Socialist" comment just confirms my suspicion. Anyway, you havbe a right to run the York meet any way you see fit but be warned, something BETTER is coming and your work will be forgotten. *The reason for the photo ban is to protect members' valuable trains from theft. The fact that the persons whose modules were being photographed weren't concerned about anyone using the photos to plan a burglary was lost on the ED TCA commissars but what the heck, it would make a heck of a Robert Wagner "It Takes A Thief"** script. **1960s TV show, not to be confused with the current Discovery Channel show of the same name. This message has been edited. Last edited by: techie, |
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There are a lot of Eastern Division members who felt that the BOD acted inappropriately when they sanctioned the module folks for taking pictures of their own equipment in a hall dedicated to them. On the other hand, the module folks forced the board's hand when they flaunted their intentional disregard for the rules. Too bad they didn't just feign ignorance that the rule applied to them, and say something like: "Sorry we didn't realize the ban applied here, but don't you think the rule should be waived in the module hall". That would have allowed the BOD to act otherwise. If you were an Eastern Divison member, you lost your right to influence the club's action when you resigned. C.W. Burfle |
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Thanks Bob,I have never heard of this show. I looked it up on the net and it is slated for September.I will definitely make the trip.It's worth a shot to find a quality annual event.Here is the link http://centramod.org/test/show2008.htm Thanks again Papa Papa Building the Ohio North Coast Railroad one paycheck at a time! The Ohio North Coast Railroad http://www.oncrail.com/ Lone Star Hi-Railers http://www.lonestarhirailers.com/ |
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I gotta laugh at this thread. It reminds me of a Social Club I belonged to (in my youth) that had a sign posted on the wall that said:
"If you don't like the way the Club runs, come to the meetings and vote. B*t^7ing and moaning at the bar won't change the rules." Jim "Corripe Cervisiam" A proud member of the TMCC Demo Group Ironville, Sporting Valley and Southern RR |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you get good Scrapple in Timonium?  BTW, "What is Scrapple" was the question on today's Jeopardy. Can you guess the answer? |
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The real answer is: Everything but the Oink! Chuck TCA, MTHRRC, Atlas Golden Spike Club |
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I don't know. I learned really early in my Army career NOT to eat anything I can't identify easily. HOWEVER, I can get some good deals on brass locomotives that have fallen apart, and for that matter, ringside seats to the fistfights over Walther's 89 foot flatcars in TTX yellow... Stonycreek Valley Railway. A division of Garage of Doom Enterprises LLC. |
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Thanks. Being that I'm th other side of 1400 miles from Temple, and much as I'd like to, I won't be making that one... in 88, my layout was on the tour, and I did a railfanning clinic. Stonycreek Valley Railway. A division of Garage of Doom Enterprises LLC. |
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tsgtbob:
Great comment regarding the fights for the 89' flat cars....the desire to own Bachmann's N Scale Amtrak HHP8 has generated some entertaining behavior as well. I'll say it again. The GSMTS is a very good event. It and York complement each other quite nicely since they differ a good bit in scope. Bob |
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I missed the last few Timonium shows, but after watching two "grown" men fight like 8 year olds over the LAST TWO HO scale flats on Pro Custom's table, well, that was worth the price of admission!
I never understood why people would fight over model trains. They are made in the thousands, if not millions, there is nothing truly rare over any of them. Stonycreek Valley Railway. A division of Garage of Doom Enterprises LLC. |
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So who's planning to attend any of the Timonium shows? I know I'll be there.GSMTS SCHEDULE BTW notice how it's billed - "The Great Scale Model Train Show and the All-American Hi-Rail & Collectors Train Show".
 Wild Mary (AKA Nick) "Riding The Wild Mary" |
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I notice the Crescent club layout is 40x24 whereas the Independent Hirailers' is 24'x40'. They always have to be different.
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I'm going to try to make it to the next one.
Bob |
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Depends on the high school football schedule (I cover the games for work) I might just make the next one. In my experience, the fall and spring shows have the best variety of stuff, in all scales. When I lived in the Chambersburg area, I made all of them, but, now that I live close to Pittsburgh it's a bit of a hump to get there. Stonycreek Valley Railway. A division of Garage of Doom Enterprises LLC. |
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A points to consider and my opinion:
Any TCA division has the right to create a meet similar to York anywhere in the USA. Its just that the Eastern Division has done it better than all the other TCA chapters, hence they have developed the largest train meeet in the world. Take a look at the size of the meets put on by TCA chapters in large metropolitan areas and make the comparsion. There isn't any! York will never be overshadowed by another show on the same weekend. I will take bets on this. Discussion on how this new meet with better rules will take the place of York is at best gibberish. Its just not going to happen. The rules at York will remain largely fixed. They have stayed in place through a number of different changes to the E.D. BOD. If we will see any change at all IMO it might be a small and select loosening in the ban on photography strictly for the press and for the manufacturers. You won't see attendees snapping pictures anytime soon. I saw someone ejected from the meet for this rule violation a few years back and it will continue to be enforced. |
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FWIW. The next Greenberg Show will be at Timonium, Aug 2nd & 3rd, for anyone who's interested.
Chuck TCA, MTHRRC, Atlas Golden Spike Club |
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There will be other meets but the TCA won't be putting them on. The collector community is wagging the dog of the 3 rail world. York will be the collector's heaven but the non TCA shows will be growing in importance especially with the high gas prices and the TCA's ugly reputation for officious rules at their meets. Look for smaller Yorks in the future. Just look at how they are killing the bandit meets because they can't control them. TCA- NO WAY!! |
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your NEGATIVE attitude has been well displayed on this forum. I don't know what your beef against the TCA is, but it's a bit much to handle. Is your intent to bad-mouth York CONSTANTLY hoping it fades. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! - walt |
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If all the folks who have posted negative comments about York were to say home........ dollars to donuts, nobody would notice.
C.W. Burfle |
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