Some interesting comments about prototypical errors in the Electroliner. It appers MTH's effort to provide model trains which are reasonably close to being prototypical is quickly eroding. The Cardinals' Train recently produced is a good example - - the wrong type engine (a USRA Pacific) was used, rather than producing a Pacific K-3 and several cars were misnamed.

Yep, the poles on the inner two cars need to be rotated 180 degrees, and moved to the opposite ends of the cars.

Zach

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Yep, the poles on the inner two cars need to be rotated 180 degrees, and moved to the opposite ends of the cars.

Zach

Maybe its possible to switch roofs?
Joe

Here's what it should look like. Don

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Here's what it should look like. Don

From that drawing it seems the only thing wrong in the York shot is MTH had the 2 center cars switched in the wrong order.
Joe

It only fair you Chicago guys get the wrong trolley pole, because I will bet they put the third rail pickup in the center instead of the outside on the Liberty Liners!!! So its even

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Originally posted by scale rail:
Here's what it should look like. Don

From that drawing it seems the only thing wrong in the York shot is MTH had the 2 center cars switched in the wrong order.
Joe

You're right! the kitchen is at the wrong end of the dining section.
Probably just need to turn the 2 center cars around.

Lee

Regarding detail accuracy, are or are not the correct colors for the North Shore Electroliners teal and salmon? The green on the MTH developmental sample does not appear to match what is viewed in color footage of the real train sets on "North Shore Line" by Sunday River productions.

What say you, CNS&M experts?

Bob Bubeck

Bob; Pretty close, from what I can tell. When I saw the cars at York, it seemed to me that the color was pretty authentic. Don't forget that train colors do change, somewhat as the paint ages. The North Shore took pretty good care of it's equipment and painted the trains about every five to seven years, but there were variations. So of the color, I won't complain.

And regarding the location of the trolley poles, I realy appreciate that someone offered the explanation that whoever assembled the train at York, probably never actually saw the real train. And I would be willing to bet my ordered set that that train was assembled wrong. I'm going to count on that. I can't imagine that MTH would spend all that money for tooling for this train, and then miss such an obvious detail.

Paul Fischer

About the Sunday River Tape: think about it a sec, the movies were shot with 50's-60's film technology, so, even though the quality is good, there will be some discoloration.

Here's a pic of the Electroliner at IRM: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10372533@N06/2815780899/ I think it's pretty close. And I guess we'll just have to wait and see is the cars can be switched...

Zach

Here's one YouTube Video ElectroLiners.

Bill

Here's a slideshow of CAD drawings from Con-Cor's HO model announced in 2002.

---PCJ

prrBill: Thanx for posting that clip of the 'liners being delivered to the P & W. Note the position of the diner/club car in the train. The end of the car with the windows faces the center of the train. The other end which contains the galley and storage for the bar, is closest to the end coach. The trolley pole is mounted over this, "blank" end of that car. That puts the two poles between the first and second car, and again between the third and fourth car, the way they always ran in service.

Now, take a look at the photograph of the train on display at the MTH booth at York. The position of the second and third cars was reversed at that show. I believe that someone, who helped set up the equipment at the show, was unfamiliar with the 'liners, and got the cars mixed up. Certainly the tether plugs between the four cars are one direction only, the way that all MTH equipment is connected together, but the two cars were reversed when they were set up for display.

At least that's the way I'm going to assume that the error developed and that properly arranging the cars will fix the issue. I'm going to be darn disappointed in my set if that's not, in fact, what was wrong with the prototype train!

Paul Fischer

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Here's a pic of the Electroliner at IRM: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10372533@N06/2815780899/ I think it's pretty close.

Thanks, Zach, for the picture of the restoration in Illinois. It would seem that the MTH color is 'reasonable' but possibly needs to have a hue with more blue. Anyone who has seen the Sunday River video will probably understand the origin of my question. The different (and all too brief ) footage included in the video of the Liberty Liners shows them very much as they were when I rode them in the 60s. As a fan of the Electroliners (I own a 3rd Rail Red Arrow), I hope that MTH delivers two models that greatly satisfy their eagerly waiting customers.

Bob Bubeck

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About the Sunday River Tape: think about it a sec, the movies were shot with 50's-60's film technology, so, even though the quality is good, there will be some discoloration.

It seems the MTH model I saw at trainfest is closer to this shot then the museum prototype now on display. Colors are different..

Are these slightly oversize like the Chicago subway cars or are they true to scale?

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also diner should be closest to the 801 on the 801/802 set and 803 on the 803/804 set

Ship the electrified way, Route of the Electroliners

I found these photos last week on the Fallen flags site of some SEPTA cars in the Upper Darby area and there are some shots of the liberty liners in there, scroll to the bottom.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/new02-08aug.html
I know you rather have the MTH version in your hands but. . .

John

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Are these slightly oversize like the Chicago subway cas or arethe true to scale?

They're Premier, so they'll be scale. Or at least as "scale" as their drivetrain will allow (I understand the motors are really shoehorned in there)

---PCJ

Just got off the phone with MTH. They are are expecting the Electro Liners sometime around the second week in September. Keep your fingers crossed.

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Originally posted by J. S. Bach:
Are these slightly oversize like the Chicago subway cas or arethe true to scale?

They're Premier, so they'll be scale. Or at least as "scale" as their drivetrain will allow (I understand the motors are really shoehorned in there)

---PCJ

So they won't fit in with the Chicago subway stuff. No reason to try and get one now.

John - Thanks for posting the pix link for the Liberty Liners. Can't wait to get mine.

Bill, MTH shipping schedule says we have to wait until October now!

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Bill, MTH shipping schedule says we have to wait until October now!

Brian

Well that pretty much dashes any reasonable hope I had for getting these in time for my Christmas layout in December. Sigh....

Here we are Less than 2 weeks before October.

Any bets that by Oct 2009, they really mean Oct 1, 2009 ???

More likely October, 2010.

Gerry

Yup, still waiting for mine too. Just checked and I pre-ordered mine in Dec. aught 6. Not a record yet but it's getting close to the 3 1/2 hears it took for Mel's Diner to arrive.

On that grand electrified two track main from Asia we have on Track 1 the MTH Liberty Liners and on Track 2 the Johnny come lately Lionel HHP-8 set.

Which will come in first?

The suspense is killing me.

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Here we are Less than 2 weeks before October.

Down to 2 days..
I thought I read they were "on the water" back in late August?
What's the hang up now ??????
Joe

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Down to 2 days..
I thought I read they were "on the water" back in late August?
What's the hang up now ??????

Poor little critters put on the water without swimming lessons...

BillP,

The real question is will they arrive before the 1st anniversary of this thread?

Bill

It's good thing we aren't holding our breath!
Jimmy over at the Homer City Poor House told us last month they were on the water. If you figure in the time for the shipment to arrive at MTH, then for the crew to check them out and ship to the dealers, the middle of October should be about right, just a guess though. I thinking the only thing that might screw things up at this point would be the upcoming York Meet.


Keep your fingers crossed guys.



Milwrd

They are shipping now

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They are shipping now

From where, East Shavouos? By mule train?

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They are shipping now

Charlie Nassau Hobby Center

Thats good news...
Thanks for the update Charlie
Joe

Charlie,

Can you be more specific?

Are they shipping from the factory to the boat?
Are they shipping on the boat the US?
Are they shipping from the boat to customs?
Are they shipping from customs to MTH?
Are they shipping from MTH to dealers?
Are they shipping from dealers to customers?

All of those qualify as shipping but have significantly different timelines...

You mean I might actually see my Electroliner before York??? Wow, that's great, but I won't have chance to run the darn thing.

Paul Fischer

Don't get too excited yet Bill. Looking at Charlie's thread on MTH shipping only lists the North Shore Electroliners, not the Liberty Liners.

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Are they shipping from MTH to dealers?

yes

Thanks Charlie!

Any sightings out there?

Immediately before or after York should be arriving at dealers, I hear.

I don't remember seeing these on any of the recent MTH newsletters...the last one I have says "week ending 9/25"...or do they wait until shipping is well underway before announcing them? I recall that the latest Premier autoracks arrived pretty much without any advance notice that I was aware of.

---PCJ

May take a bit more time than normal. They are steaming in a zig zag pattern to avoid the Uboats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...zmt8&feature=related


Dale H

Remember guys, the shot in the Museum has two different light sources. Daylight and whatever those big lights above the train are. Who knows what color is correct from that photo. Don

Maybe they shipped them back to China by accident???

Hijacked, plain and simple. Anti-P&W pirates are holding them hostage awaiting the highest bidder. So an expedition to Mt. Everest is in order.

Bill

EEyyye, me thinks the pirates wuold be flying the blue and orange skull and bones. Time to call the seals.

Hey BillP and Prrbill, I have heard that it may be well into 2010 before they are out. I'll tell ya when i see you guys at York. I also heard that MTH may being gearing up for N scale, now that would make me very happy after seeing some of their work in HO. I think you guys should change to N scale anyway.

Dave F.

Whew,

Dave you had me going there for a second until the N scale punchline!