Im really being drawn towards to of the last gasp efforts of the steam era.

These two locos would be on my list. I am wondering if they were produced in O scale (preferably three rail). I understand that mth made the M-1 but I would prefer to go another route.

Thanks.

WEll I am confused? What route do you prefer for such a big and unique and limited production loco- and 3 rail to boot?

Besides C&O and N&W for unique turbo-electric experimentals locomtioves, UP also had one. It's lead unit looked something like and EMD E-2 on sterioids.

While C&O had three and N&W only one of their coal burning experimentals, the N&W unit was probably the more successful, remaining in service for several years.

However N&W's all-black Jawn Henry did not sport a bright, dressy paint job like the C&O used. That made for better eye appeal to MTH, in making their O gauge model of the C&O unit(s).

Ed Bommer

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Originally posted by prrhorseshoecurve:
WEll I am confused? What route do you prefer for such a big and unique and limited production loco- and 3 rail to boot?

No need to be confused. I happen to like these unique locomotive designs. I mostly display them, but on the rare occasion I get to run them it is on a three rail layout. I was merely asking who might have manufactured these items, perhaps in brass.

Ed, yes I am aware of the UP experimentals and I have them on my list also. They seem to be better represented and easier to find.

There was a 2 rail brass C&O turbine at the Indianapolis show for sale in September. I think it was an Overland product nicely painted. If interested put a post and I will give you the fellow's contact info.

I seem to recall from somewhere way back in time seeing a Jawn Henry in HO brass at a train meet. It was fairly crude by today's standards if I recall. Never seen or heard of one in 0.

Jonathan:

I remember the HO Jawn Henry as well. I think it was made by Alco Models. Does that sound right?

Bob

Bob,

Thank you! I was thinking Alco models too, just wasn't that confident about it.

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Originally posted by rheil:
There was a 2 rail brass C&O turbine at the Indianapolis show for sale in September. I think it was an Overland product nicely painted. If interested put a post and I will give you the fellow's contact info.

Yes please, if you could send me contact info that would be appreciated. Or you could forward my email to the person in question.

Thanks mdainsd

I have an O-scale model of the Jawn Henry that was scratch built by Russell Slate. If I knew how to send a picture of it, I would. It is made of brass with trucks stolen from two Weaver Alco 628s and a two-motor/e-unit from an MTH engine. It runs well as it is built. It is roughly 42 inches long. It took many years to build and alot of compromise and revamping, but it was worth the effort.

I also have the MTH C&O M-1. It can't pull for beans, but it looks nice. I run it occasionally. I run the Jawn Henry on a roughly 144 inch diameter Atlas flex-track. I is in my pictures section of my computer, but I don.t know how to send it to you guys. If someone could tell me how I will send some pictures.

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Originally posted by robert bradley jr.:
I also have the MTH C&O M-1. It can't pull for beans, but it looks nice. I run it occasionally. I run the Jawn Henry on a roughly 144 inch diameter Atlas flex-track. I is in my pictures section of my computer, but I don.t know how to send it to you guys. If someone could tell me how I will send some pictures.

If you want to send it to me as an attachment to an email, I will post it here on the forum for you (sometimes easier than explaining how to do it)
my email address is in my profile.

I have sent you some pictures of the O-scale Jawn Henry. I will send you some more shortly.

What do you think of this model? I have sent Scott Mann these pictures as well. Hopefully this will inspire him to make a model of this beast. No one has done it commercially in O-scale. I hope you can put these pictures in the forum for all to see.

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Originally posted by robert bradley jr.:
What do you think of this model? I have sent Scott Mann these pictures as well. Hopefully this will inspire him to make a model of this beast. No one has done it commercially in O-scale. I hope you can put these pictures in the forum for all to see.

I got your email, and I like your locomotive a lot. I can only imagine the work involved, a true labor of love.

Yes, I will get some of them up here in this thread. it will probably be over the weekend though.

Again thanks.

Here one to hold us over! I took some liberties to digitally bring out more of the detail.


I want one!

Thanks mdainsd. I want one too...

I have contacted the builder, Russell Slate about people who are interested in this model. He will get back with me on this and I can give you more information. This model took a long time to build due to time constraints and making a good frame. It has span bolsters like the real thing. Brass screen was used for the large ventilation areas, and plastic model shutters were epoxied by me to simulate the many small vents this thing had. The decals were Champ Norfolk & Western for steam engines. These were not 100% correct because the actual lettering was a little bit longer spaced, but this was all that was available. The trucks were Weaver Alco Century 628. This was the closest we could find. FM trainmaster trucks can also be used because they also approach the Jawn Henry trucks in appearance. The tender was fabricated from sheet brass and lacks rivet detail because a lathe was not available. The tender trucks are brass commonwealth that I had acquired years ago from a friend in New York (Richard Okrosy). Only two MTH can motors and e-unit stolen from an MTH SD-60 were used. The front end hood area is narrow at the top and would not accomodate two other can motors. I have to find some narrower ones so I can repower the thing using four motors and an e-unit that can operate four motors. Compromise was the key to getting this beast to run and it runs well on my layout. It can pull 30 feight cars up a 1% grade. No weight was added since only the rear trucks are powered. I used flat black Krylon paint for the engine and tender bodies and then used Floquil grimy black to weather the trucks and lower portions of the engine. This came out nice. I used gloss on areas that had to be decaled, applied the decals, let this dry and covered with a dull coat over the whole engine. This brings out the vent and panel details well.

That is one impressive model. Imagine what it could do with four motors or even just a huge center mounted Pitmann motor and some tower gear assemblies. That would be a stump puller of a model.

I am getting Sunset's Y6b soon and I would like to put that on the front end of a train and the Jawn Henry pushing at the rear like N&W did.

I do wonder why Mike doesn't do Jawn. It's the last piece of the puzzle (well almost the last, since there is the original GE turbine that had the big round art deco nose.) Mike had said he wanted to do every prototype so why not this one?

Of course it would be one more gigantic engine in my gigantic engine collection that need the biggest curves you can muster. O-72, while technically correct (it won't derail), still looks ridiculous when the front and rear of these monsters swing out 10 scale feet and "kisses" everything on the adjacent track.

I have the centipedes, the Allegheny, the Veranda, the Coal Turbine and the Pennsy S-1, all of which take every bit of my O-96 and would like it if it were O-196.

Now that I'm rebuilding the railroad in its new home, I've increased the track spacing on curves from the nominal 4" to almost 5" so these engines will clear other traffic without me having to hold my breath.

But, I would welcome Jawn Henry. RR Model Craftsman had a scale drawing of this engine in the 1970s and I was just studying it, and thinking about MTH building it.

Myles

I run my big stuff on Atlas flex track which I made into roughly 144"diameter curves. I also have alot of big engines, GN W-2 electric, C&O M-1, Big Boys, Yellowstones, cab forwards etc,. My outer rail is wired to two transformers, a Z-4000 for 3-rail and a 300 Watt transformer for 2-rail. I am getting a 2-rail Y6b ( I already have a MTH one), and I have a 2-rail Virginian AE 2-10-10-2 on order. I have over 5 inches between this rail and the next inside rail (O-72), to avoid having the scenery rearranged. I still have engines that will not even make this, a 2-rail Sunset PRR N-2 and a Locomotive Workshop PRR Q-2. These grace my shelves and they are nice to look at. My Jawn Henry is 3-rail and will NOT make it on O-72 track. This is something a 3-rail builder like MTH or Sunset 3rd Rail would have to consider in designing one of these.

mdainsd,

Do you have any more photos to post? Thanks in advance.

Very nice! Thanks mdainsd!

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Originally posted by Jtrain:
Very nice! Thanks mdainsd!

Thanks to Robert Bradley Jr, for sharing the pictures of His Jawn Henry. I just posted them for him.

Thanks mdainsd for posting some of these pictures. I hope we can stir up enough interest so somebody can build this engine (MTH, Sunset 3rd Rail, or Lionel).

Please count me "IN" for anyone who will build one of these models! I have the MTH C&O M1 and UP 80 Coal Turbine. The Lionel 18010 scale Pennsylvania S2 is currently at the top of my "get" list. I'll say it again here, I'll give up every locomotive I have to get a N&W 2300.

Thank you so much for sharing your pictures!

Gilly

Well, lets this go here a bit and see what interest there is here. If encouraging, maybe we should ask the regular 3r rail forum? Theres strength in numbers boys!

I have the C&O coal turbine. while the model couldn't pull the hat off of your head the whole idea of what was being tried just intrigues me.

I found out that the guide trucks on the C&O turbine are taking more weight than the drivers, thus reducing traction. Somehow the weight has to be redistributed to the drivers, possibly by reducing the spring tension on the front, middle and rear guide trucks, I am not sure about this.

Yeah, it does seem that the spring tension is high. Im going to investigate mine to see what can be done. ultimately it needs to pull 14 21" cars. Right now it has trouble with the tender, LOL