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...and B&M for all those T1 Limas and R1 Mountains.
Scott, I still have those drawings for the narrow monitor B&M buggy! |
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Great Northern and Northern Pacific 24' wood cabooses. I may get impatient and just pop for the Beaver Creek and W&R brass ones if I find them for a decent price.
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An affordable brass N5, N5C, and N8 would be great. I would also like to see someone produce some transfer cabooses in NYC and Conrail.
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Be careful what you ask for, the last time 3rd Rail announced Santa Fe cabooses, they produced Southern Pacific cabooses lettered for Santa Fe.  |
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NYC/B&A, yes I know there's kits out there but I don't have time for kits
Regards, Gary Long live the Boston & Albany. |
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Scott: Got drawings for these, too. You're more than welcome to avail yourself of them.  |
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I would like to see 3rd Rail come out with a Proto Sound 2 option for their electronics.
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NYC Cabs!
another great brass idea... I would be in for a couple of these appropos to my steam era freight. Frisco Steam And E8 Thoroughbreds... Tinplate guy too. "A round of track for the boys" - Joe McDoaks |
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ptalar,
Sunset 3rd Rail, nor ANY other manufacturer can offer MTH DCS 2.0 in ANY of their products, since DCS 2.0 is patented and is exclusive to MTH ONLY. However, you may order your Sunset 3rd Rail locomotive model thru Justrains in Newark, DE. up-graded to DCS 2.0. Check them out at www.justrains.com or call them at (302) 453-0465 |
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2-8-2 or smaller in CB&Q. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'd like to see a Pennsy Mikado,L1 or L1s. Cabin cars to go with all of their steamers would be a winner.
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I rather see some unique PRR steam done by 3rd rail rather than a rehash of "Standard" steam already done 3 fold!
Steam engines such as PRR e1 4-4-2 cammelback[also for LIRR, Reading, Erie, etc]  PRR F1/F3 2-6-0  PRR G3/G4 4-6-0  PRR H8/H9 and /or H28  PRR J28 2-6-2 [a REAL model of the Postwar Lionel wheel arangement!]  RESTART the K5 Project!  PRR K29- dig that Radial Stay Firebox & unusual-for prr- Trailing truck!  USRA 2-10-2 PRR Version N2  PRR Hc1 Mainline/Helper Articulated loco!  There is a desert of non mainstream PRR locos lately and this needs to be corrected ASAP!  member: TCA |
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My vote is for either a G5s or an L1s. To date no one has done either correctly in O scale (2 or 3 rail). MG/USH did both with boilers oversized. Weaver had boilers the correct diameter but far too long. MTH did the L1s with a poor tender, and their G5s was well out of scale with respect to the drivers and boiler length. Finally the 1980's vintage Sunset G5s had a straignt topped boiler (vs conical). It's about time someone did these classic PRR locomotives right.
The G5s could be offered in PRR and LIRR, and the L1s could be offered in PRR, ATSF, Interstate, and L&NE. Ed Rappe |
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I believe that Sunset/3rd Rail has already learned that the "smaller" steam locomotive models don't sell as well as the "big stuff". An example is the NYC H10 class 2-8-2; not enough reservations so the project is "shelved". A New York Central model mind you!
Personally, I think there has been enough PRR models made, correctly or not doesn't seem to matter to the masses. I think Scott Mann is on the right track by announcing the big Erie S class 2-8-4, and possibly the Great Northern O-8 2-8-2s and, hopefully the C&O K3/K3a 2-8-2s. |
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I'd be very interested in a PRR F-3c Mogul.
As far as I know it's only been imported once. Only issue is limited appeal due to its prototypical time frame and range of use. Of course, that detail does not seem to impact a goodly number of persons, But a McKeen car might be a lot more interesting,  Is it real? Do you see it, too? We all see it. That don't make it real. |
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Yes! I will go for that wood splitter!  member: TCA |
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That's interesting because I just learned from 3rd Rail that they only have 5 of their SP M9 Moguls left. They sold all of the Pacifics fairly quickly in 2005.
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I really like the idea of Sunset doing more steam era cabooses. I'd particularly like to see them for the B&O, NYC and PRR. I'd also like to see some of the classic PRR steam locomotives done even if previously done. Even if previously done I would expect the new vewrsions to have more detail and updated electronics. I not been with the O gauge hobby as long as many and I am sure there are others who missed out on some of the earlier runs. I am disappointed to hear that the NYC H10 2-8-2 project has been selved. Hopefully 3rd Rail will keep taking reservations and one day there may be enough to bring it to production. It never hurts to have hope. Bill B.
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I'd be in for a USRA heavy 2-10-2.
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I'd like to see a Southern Pacific Mikado with a Vandy tender.
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There have been a lot of recent announcements from Sunset/GGD. A number of folks expressed great interest in a lot of these projects at a 2 rail show in Strasburg, PA., today.
The PRR E-7 diesels will most likely be done in A-B-A sets in both brunswick and tuscan 5 stripe, both of which are correct for the Broadway Limited. For the "rivet counters" we are aware that the green units should have gold lettering/striping and the tuscan ones should use dulux. They will have nose lift rings and radio antennae. CB&Q most likely A-A sets (no B units) unless guys want them. Scott has agreed to do "horizontal" drives to satisfy the demand. For you B&O fans at York please talk to us about a few issues on the T-3 - specifically external vs shrouded sanders and "rolled" vs squared water cistern tops on the welded T-3 tender. Your input is valuable. |
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I'm in for a CB&Q A-A set to power our CZ. How soon will the GGD website be updated to take reservations?
ChipR |
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Bob,
I don't know anything about the B&O T-3 4-8-2 models, but here are some random thoughts concerning E7 models: 1) You are correct about A-A pairs for CB&Q. The CB&Q NEVER purchased E7 B units, and NEVER purchased E8/E9 B units either! 2) There are two different appearing E7A unit "fronts", depending on date of delivery. Original E7A units from 1947 had the small "FT style" number boards which included the class light. Later production E7A units had the larger "F7 style" number boards, with a separate class light. For exemple, the CB&Q had BOTH. The real "hooker" in the CB&Q E7A units is; the "early" units with the "FT style" small number boards had only three black strips around the front nose. However, the "later" E7A units, with the larger "F7 style" number boards, and four black stripes around the front nose. 3) Concerning fixed pilots, scale (Kadee) couplers, and ride height, maybe it is now time for one builder to change the "3-rail" wheel/flange dimensions to NO LONGER ACCOMIDATE TUBLAR TRACK! Yes, Atlas O 3-Rail switches will handle regular 2-rail wheel profiles, but the wheels do drop slightly thru the frog. Thus, there MUST be some happy medium ground between 2-rail scale wheel profiles and the current "pizza cutter" grossly oversize 3-rail flanges. Lets see if 3rd Rail/GGD can be the first builder to give us 3RS modelers a locomotive that sits a little lower, and still operates on T section 3-rail track systems. |
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Good information concerning Hot Waters second bullet point.
Here is an E7 with the 3 stripes and class light incorporated into the number boards, although it has seen better days: E7 "3 Stripe" Here is the larger number boards with the separate class lights: "4 stripe" E7 I personally like the later version with the larger number boards. |
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To clarify Hot's remarks, the 3rd Rail NYC H10 2-8-2 Mikado project has NOT been canceled! However, Scott has not yet received enough reservations to put this model into production. So for anyone who would like this locomotive on their roster, please go to www.3rdrail.com, click the "TO RESERVE" button on the left side of the window, scroll down halfway to the H10 section, click on "RESERVE NOW", and complete the reservation form - the H10 is still on their website to be reserved! The NYC H10 Mikados were arguably the first ancestor of the Lima Super Power design, pre-dating the famous A-1 Berkshire of 1927 and incorporating several of the features that made this demonstrator a success. The NYC and affiliates had over 300 of the H10a and H10b Mikados, and with their overhanging Elesco feedwater heaters, 63" drivers, and large, six-axle tenders, these compact muscular locomotives were the quintessential freight workhorses of the NYC.  Toledo, Oh, 1949 - Harold K. Vollrath Collection This message has been edited. Last edited by: jdmavanti, |
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Not Changing Flanges:
Even an argument of changing flanges might scare 50% of the customers of a project away. We are not thinking of changing flanges. Standard 3 Rail flanges work great for everyone's track right now. We are not going to change flanges. All our factories including our own test track are geared for testing on Lionel Tubular track. The switches are the hardest to get a model to go smoothly through, so that is what we test our models for. If it can navigate these switches it can navigate everything out there. We will make a replacement fixed pilot design that is easier to install than the current designs on the market. (E7s). Also we will tool for 2 phases of E7s so we can hit everyone's favorite road. Horizontal drive or vertical drive has not been determined. All I can say is, if it is not smooth and quiet it will get further engineering until it is. We are shooting for prototypical crawl and high torque, with a good top end speed. The new Electric RR Cruise system (Tachless) uses the Back EMF of the motors to generate a SUPER slow crawl cruise control. We have tested it, our customers have tested it, and that is what we are going to use. 2 Rail models will have the option of DCC ready or QSI DC/DCC Quantum Sound installed. Lots of good suggestions and details to work on for all these projects. This is what makes this business fun. We am making the models you want and the way you want them. Scott |
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Scott:
How are the reservations going on the CNW H1 Northern? Are we close to enough to produce? Matt Jackson A.I.M. Screen Name: MJ928s Angels Gate Hi-Railers, San Pedro, California http://www.aghrclub.org Moving Freight and Passengers from Point A to Point A for over 1/8th of a century!
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If you go online to 3rdrail.com look at the info on the nyc passenger train with the E 7&8. it says the sound system will be the electricrr cruise with railsounds 4. this is a trouble free system for me and is so simplt to install and is also very small. hopefully we will see this coming in the steamers especially the little ones. |
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Attention rheil and Scott:
Bob, here is the list of the car numbers and names for the Columbian. I also sent it to Nick because I don't have your email. And Scott, if you still have the book of scale B&O drawings, it came from that source. I found the following information in the Scale Modeling and the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad by William H.L. Dornette. (It's the big white and blue spiral bound reprint from 2000). Class D-30 Coffee Shoppe, Lounge, Dormitory, Baggage 1350 Harpers Ferry 1351 Silver Spring Class A-40 Coach 5500 Connellsville 5501 Cumberland 5502 Gary 5503 La Paz 5504 Martinsburg 5505 McKeesport 5506 New Castle 5507 Youngstown Class F-10 Diner 1090 Akron 1091 Pittsburgh Class A-41 Strata Dome Coach 5550 High Dome 5551 Sky Dome Class Z-5 Observation Lounge, Cocktail Bar with Stewardess Room 3315 Chicago 3316 Washington I couldn't find information on how these cars were assigned to trainsets. The Columbian chapter in vol 2 of Harry Stegmaier's passenger book series discusses both the Columbian and its later combining with the Ambassador. But the consists table isn't specific about the cars and they are dated after it started running with the Ambassador. Gary Jr |
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Gary,
Thanks for posting. Ed Bommer and I discussed this issue through e-mail and the agreement is that the cars with even numbers will be one consist (set A) and the odd numbers (set B) will be the other. I rode the Columbian a number of times but cannot remember which car names matched with which others. Actually, I don't think it really matters. The issue is that the names on the GGD cars will be correct. |
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That is so. The original cars as delivered from Pullman were made up into a train for display by the B&O after they got enough of them to put a suit together. Car delivery from the Pullman plant would not be of an entire train set, all in one shot. Cars were delivered as they came off the production line along with other similar cars being built at the same time. For example, coaches would be done for B&O (and any other road with a similar car on order) in one run. Specialty cars like diners, observations, etc. were usually grouped together for production. Besides building them, the cars also had to be outfitted and furnished before delivery. Best to procure what's needed for that in as complete an order as possible for a production run - coach seats, lounge chairs, bar furnishings, dining car equipment, etc. They all came from outside vendors. We do not know the exact consist for the B&O display Columbian train that toured the system and posed for photos before it and it's sister consist went into service. It's hard to pick out names for all the cars from the publicity photos. The Golden Gate decision to put the even numbered and odd numbered cars in separate sets makes sense. Remember, numbers did not appear on most of these cars until very late in their service lives, when B&O dropped most passenger car names. The Columbian ran for a very short time intact with its original eight car sets. Additions (a slumber coach) and car subsitutions (diners and domes going to the Capitol Limited on some runs) began appearing by 1949, just a few years after it went into service. The three passenger service "F" units (A-B-A) stayed with the Columbian for quite a while. "E" units (A-A) did substitute at times, when the "F" sets ran with the Captiol Limited. Power assignment was basically what was ready to go when it was needed. The Columbian at that time was the coach follow-up for the all-Pullman Capitol Limited. Ed Bommer |
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Ed,
Hopefully we will see a Slumbercoach from Atlas as it seems like something they would do considering their marketing strategy of single cars plus the fact they could put many railroads' schemes on it. I would sure be in for Dreamland or Slumberland. I think Weaver may do their 60 foot postal to match the GGD coaches and head end cars in B&O blue and gray. As I recall the postal on the Columbian was usually one of the 8 window per side cars. |
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How about a PRR L1 Mikado? There is a glaring need for this one. It is the only major Pennsy steamer that 3rd Rail has never done (I think).
Norm Rish |
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I will be happy as long as the PRR DLGE units have the correct OEM small numberboard/ marker housing while the Tuscan red versions will have the Betterment Huge numberboards with "bug eye" marker on top center. Also NO 2nd mars Light on nose door please. Thanks.
Betcha it's Twin Vertical Motor China Drives! member: TCA |
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Wow! This is great! My wallet just shuddered! 2 railer but respectful to 3 railers! Happy Railroading Everyone! Stilll waiting for 1:48 scaled autos.... Phil Gatto |
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Hot Water, Everything is negotiable. If MTH wants to they can license their technology to 3rd Rail. This would be good for 3rd Rail in increasing the value of their products with improved electronics over what they offer now and good for MTH in making extra money from licensing. I would like to see some standardization in the industry with the electronics similar to Radio Control cars where one remote can run any RC car electronics. I also, would like to see some standardization in the internal wiring of the engines for repair and maintenance purposes. |
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A LOT LESS PRR ENGINESand more other roads. PRR IS WAAAY OVER DONE
I left my hobo sign near you house. If you aren't nice, I'll change it. |
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Speaking of ideas, it Atlas is putting a newly tooled scale coupler on their CZ set that will mate with tinplates, GGD needs to do the same. Atlas got it. Those couplers kill the look.
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I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear such a thing |
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A Grand Trunk & Western caboose to go with their new Steam locomotive and if we ever live to see the day of a 1st generation G.T.& W. diesel locomotive painted in green and gold.
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I would like to see Illinois Central steam engines. I seen a video on
a 0-10-0 switcher. Or how about a 4-8-2? |
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I would like to see the Observation car as "3316 Washington" since I know it still exists at the B&O museum and may be the only car in a state of preservation. Remaining cars are in a decrepid state (dome car at St Louis museum). Diner Pittsburg was around but I think it was scrapped as well. ray |
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NYC Mike H10 in Boston and Albany
Regards, Gary Long live the Boston & Albany. |
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I'd like to see a Southern Pacific Mikado with a Vandy tender.
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Only one Wheeling and Lake Erie Steam Engine was made from my memory.
 This is the same engine after being leased and relettered by the NKP:  " Without the rails, there is no direction or path to follow " |
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