Please join Marty Eibeck, Chris Bojanower, and me for the fourth semi-annual LIONEL LEGACY USERS' GROUP MEETING at the York Train Show.

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 16, 2009  8:00 - 10:00 AM

ALEXANDER'S FAMILY RESTAURANT
840 Carlisle Rd ● York, PA 17404 ● Telephone (717) 846-1041
One block from Fairgrounds rear entrance ● Downstairs banquet room (ask for Paula).
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ALL ARE WELCOME!


TENTATIVE AGENDA:

The Lionel Legacy Users’ Group Meeting is not associated with Lionel Trains in any way other than sharing the enjoyment and trading information related to operating the Lionel Legacy System.

Introductions

• Must use time wisely as we have a lot to cover in 2 hours

• Reminder that each individual is responsible to order and pay Paula and her hard-working staff for breakfast (plus a generous tip if you were happy with the service).


QUESTIONS FOR LIONEL (Lionel's Mike Reagan and perhaps others will be on hand again):

1. Status of next Legacy update?

2. Which issues next update will and won’t be addressed?

3. Status of battery charging issues?

4. Planned new features to be available in Vision Line products that you can announce?

5. Anything you can now tell us about the black Legacy modules project?

6. Status of “TrainLink” function and/or ability to store 5 engines into the 5 keys under the display for one-touch addressing?

7. Status of addressing more than 99 engines?

8. Status of fix for the wheel flange problem?

9. Status of fix for the random electro-coupler firing problem?

10. TPC shutting down when running pulmor motor engines?


WE WILL HAVE A SMALL TRACK SET UP TO DEMO THE SYSTEM USING LIONEL LEGACY LOCOMOTIVES.


PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU WILL BE COMING SO WE CAN GET AN ESTIMATED HEADCOUNT.


POST HERE WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS FOR LIONEL LEGACY ISSUES AND QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE COVERED.


We look forward to seeing you there!

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Will Allen III,

Will, I am not usually the first in line but sign 4 of us up...

Eric VanOpstal
Ed Martin
Dick Picanso
Jim Queenan

See you there!!

 

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5. Anything you can now tell us about the   black Legacy modules project?

Gee, this sounds intriguing...       I haven't heard of this "black Legacy module project".

Have I missed something important?

Thanks!
 

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Thanks for the effort in putting this together

Bill D

Will, Albrect, his son and I will be there. I will also add 2 or 3 items for your door prize pool.

Will...

Sign three of us Westies up:

Frank M.
BlimpMan
RT

Thanks!!!

Will,

Looking forward to this once again. Sign me up!

Al Nash

Alan doesn't know about the black modules?!?!?!

Everybody knows about the black modules. We could fill you in but then you wouldn't come to the meeting.

Will,

Thanks so much for your work on keeping this group going and AT LAST I will be able to attend. So, please put my wife and me down as attending.

Will
I will not be there but I am looking forward to your report after the meeting. Thanks to MartyE,Chris and yourself for keeping this going. For all of us that can not make the great event I personal look forward to your group updates.
Thank you.

Add Jim Stefl to the list.

Well I for one am looking forward to this Fall's meeting. Please try to wear your TCA badge to help those with name memory syndrome (myself included) from knowing who we all are. Also if you have any suggestions, time available, we can certainly add it in.

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Originally posted by MartyE:

Alan doesn't know about the black modules?!?!?!

Everybody knows about the black modules.   We could fill you in but then you wouldn't come to the meeting.

Don't say I didn't warn you........       but you're tempting me !!!  
 

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Don't say I didn't warn you........ but you're tempting me !!!

Well? You comin'?

First off, Thanks Will, Marty & Chris for setting this up again.

Unfortunately I can't make it this October. My daughter is getting married on Saturday. I was going to come to York early Thursday and leave late morning on Friday but then they set up the rehearsal dinner for Thursday night. ARRRGGG!!!

Enjoy. I'll be waiting for your report.

Will and Gang, Please put me down I will be attending again. Thanks for all you do!! Happy Railroading!!!-Don Klose

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Originally posted by Steve Musso:
First off, Thanks Will, Marty & Chris for setting this up again.

Unfortunately I can't make it this October. My daughter is getting married on Saturday. I was going to come to York early Thursday and leave late morning on Friday but then they set up the rehearsal dinner for Thursday night. ARRRGGG!!!

Enjoy. I'll be waiting for your report.

Steve...

First, I'll miss seeing you at York in October!

Second, you need to sit down, think and re-prioritize your life. Giving up trains for your daughter's wedding is unthinkable. You need some help, man.

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Second, you need to sit down, think and re-prioritize your life. Giving up trains for your daughter's wedding is unthinkable. You need some help, man.

Bob, I already sent back the invite reply that I couldn't go cause I will be in Pennsy but she didn't buy it. At least I won't have to dance this time, she wants me to sing her a song. That I could do.

Got a nice message from David Gummersheimer (St. Louis area) who confirmed he will be there!

Looking forward to seeing you again, David. Thank you for the call.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Will Allen III,

Hi Will
Put myself and Jim D down for attendance

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Originally posted by MartyE:

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AlanH posted:   

Don't say I didn't warn you........       but you're tempting me !!!

Well?   You comin'?

             
 

Will, I think it is great that you do these. I'm looking forward to joining you and seeing you again.

Regards,
Gerry

Alan

You can certainly take a cue.

hi will i will be coming this is my first time there and look foward to meeting you allis it ok to bring wife along
bob

If she can stand us she is welcome!

Wives, kids, dogs - ALL are welcome.

That is, as long as they are polite to Paula and leave a nice tip.

Will,

I will be joining you and am looking forward to it.

Bill

That's great, Bill. We look forward to seeing you there!

I will be there, Don Miller

Thanks for letting us know, Don. Looking forward to seeing you there.

Added issue #10 above:

TPC shutting down when running pulmor motor engines.

Hi Will,

Please consider adding a Question for Lionel about the "Red Light On" on the CAB-2.

We have Legacy on our Tinplate Trackers of Austin Texas large modular club layout and I have Legacy on my 17 ft X 32 ft home layout. In both situations we are intermittently getting the "blinking red light" while holding the CAB-2 in close proximity to the Legacy Base. And of course the red light stays on even more often as we reach the expected range limits of the wireless link.

We have tested with and without our Hawking HSB2's and after changing base frequencies and putting in fresh, charged batteries. Nothing seems to help. Both systems work just okay. But, we experience periodic and temporary slow response to no response when the CAB-2 Red light is cycling on and off.

I've read the postings and it sounds like the red light indicates one or both of two conditions: (1) Base Out of Range or (2) Base in Range but Corrupted Packet.

I would find it extremely valuable to have Mike Reagan at Lionel clearly explain what the "Red Light On" means, and then if as expected this is a malfunction, what the Lionel fix is. I'm hesitant to send one or both Legacy Bases back to Lionel until I gain a clear understanding from Lionel as to how to proceed.

Finally, I'll most likely be at the breakfast. Am finalizing my plans and will let you know when they are set.

Thanks
Bill
TCA #03-56115

Hi Again Will,

To correct my terminology, it's the "Radio Link Warning Light" covered on page 63 of the Legacy v1.2 Instruction Manual.

The question for Mike Reagan is "Please explain what conditions cause the Radio Link Warning Light to come on". Are the two reasons givin in the manual REALLY the only reasons or is something else going on? Like maybe a problem with the Legacy Base or a software/firmware glitch? What is the fix if a problem is acknowledged.

The manual gives two reasons; "out of range" or if the Radio Link Warning Light flashes at close range it indicates that the "channel is poor."

Thanks again,
Bill

Bill (Austin Bill),

Thanks very much for your question. We will add it to the agenda.

Mike might not be able to answer it, and Jon, who probably can answer it, will not be at York in October, so worst case Mike will take it back to Lionel for a better answer. But this is speculation on my part, so we'll put it to Mike and see if he knows.

Thank you again,

Folks,

I am repeating here yesterday's post by Jon Zahornacky, Lionel CTO (aka Santa Fe Fan on the Forum), regarding Legacy Cab-2 range issues:

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Posted September 27, 2009 01:36 AM

Folks,

I have tried to keep the forumites updated on progress with the Cab-2 and range concerns at regular intervals. I will recap the current status. We have been trying several concepts to address the range. Most of these concepts trade off the increased range by slowing down the data rate and adding additional error correction information in the packets. We have not settled on the final approach to resolving this concern, however we have seen an improvement in house and at several test sites.

The 2.4 GHz spectrum is very crowded; and the hardware has limits. I wish these limits did not exist, however they do exist. I find it interesting that after replacements of the Legacy system, some folks are seeing an improvement. The questions that come to mind are: the channel setting, battery state, etc, that could be responsible for the improvement. Please understand, there are no hardware or software changes on the replacements from Consumer Services.

Folks know my commitment to this hobby, and I will keep everyone informed of any progress worth reporting. We can, and will, bring you a preview of the new features at the Legacy Users Group meeting at October York. Feedback is appreciated, and just note the date for any official release is unknown as of today.

I ask your patience, and rest assured that when any improvements are fully ready we will get them to everyone. My goal is this year, however quality is priority one.

jon
CTO, Lionel LLC

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Looking forward to seeing everyone at York!

Please reserve one slot for Bill Lohman, Austin Texas. Thanks.

Bill

Looking forward to meeting you!

Thanks Marty. Look forward to meeting you too.

Thanks go to you Chris and Will for your efforts in organizing and hosting the Legacy Users Group.

Bill

Thanks for the notices, everybody, about coming to the meeting two weeks from today! All are welcome.

I re-checked this morning with Paula, the manager at Alexander's Restaurant, and she's expecting us. See you all there!

Will,

After looking at the new catalog, could you add a new (or old one again) to your list of questions for Lionel, "why can't you offer the Cab 2 alone without the charger base?"

Probably like many, I don't use the charging feature of the base, so it is redundant and thus expensive.

Peter

Good point. Although the marketing folks and production folks usually don't show up we'll pass it along.

I just booked a Bed & Breakfast for Thursday and Friday nights. I'm looking forward to joining you. My learning curve can only go up at this point.

Pete Mason

Will,I have a question to add.

Does Lionel plan on making service station manuals and test eqiupment available to the general public for testing various boards and such.

I like to tinker,lol

Thanks in advance

Doug

ps/ Will,Marty,Chris a big thanks to you guys for this meet!!!

Will:

I plan on being there as well.

Neal Jeter

Will,

I'll be there.

Tom

Thanks, everyone! Mike Reagan is coming, and so is a Lionel Legacy beta tester to report on his experience with the next version of Legacy.

See you there,

Will,

Thanks for the effort.

I plan to be there.

Pete Mason

Will:

Count me in for the breakfast. Thanks.

Hey folks. Getting ready for Friday. I have some agendas printed (will also post a link on my site for a document if you want to print it out before hand) and I am getting the Legacy gear together. I'm hoping to have some extra things at the demo this year for folks to play with if I can get them worked in. We'll have 2 remotes on hand. A diesel and steamer as well to play with on the small loop.

Some folks mentioned to Will at the end of last years meeting that they would like some more informal interaction so I'll leave the layout up until everyone takes off or until 10am. I have no pressing commitments at the show. Anyone need to see a TMCC1 engine run I can bring one of those too.

Just made it to Gettysburg with the 5th wheel camper, count me in. Looking forward to meeting everyone. My first York.
Dan