My apologies f this is a repost, but I'm kind of fascinated by these locomotives:

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... and more on youtube.

Not sure about the specs V10, 4 cycle, ... rumor has it they run as an option on coal dust (???) and also came as a turbine.
I would appreciate any insight and details.
(... lurking for quite some time and finally start posting)

Dirk

I know nothing about any russian loco but by the looks of that exhaust... it seems the russians must feed those engines[ incinerators] everything but the kitchen sink? can't be healthy though with all that smoke!

Must have contracted with UP for maintenance.

Greg

Definitely qualify as honorary steamers...cab forwards at that...

They smoke worse than Alcos but sound loke EMDs. The Russians must run them on crude oil. Check out this cab video. Sounds EXACTLY like a GP38:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VG0ay7tU88&feature=related

I found this here:
http://www.trainnet.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=...17&forum=DCForumID26
As I strongly suspected, the TE10 locomotives are 2-stroke beasts. Another source indicates that the Russians have nicknamed these things "Rolling Earthquakes"


PFMJI -
> KTZ will use the (General Electric upgrade) kits to refurbish 27 of its model TE-10 locomotives, extending their life by 15-20 years. <
Actually, class "2TE10", if still in their SZD classification scheme. The "2" denotes these are twin units of Co'Co' + Co'Co' axle configuration. Basically, these are improved "Te109" units, the basis of the German / Bulgarian "Ludmillas" (cl.230-234 and 07, resp.). Luchansk TeplovosZavod built the 2TE10 from 1981 onwards (taken from "Swiat Kolei" 06/2003, p.28-29):

2TE10W and 2TE10M (the matured derivative) built in around 3000 pairs 1981 - 1990. 2206 kW 2-stroke engine 10D100, 2x 138 tonnes (metr) at 2/3 supplies, 2x 399 kN starting tractive effort, 100 km/h max. speed.

2TE10U derived from 2TE10M with improved 2-stroke engine 10D100M1, built 1989 - 1992 in 400 pairs (for SZD, notabene), also featuring advanced controls facilitating mu-operated 4-unit locos "4TE10U" (often since reduced to "3TE10U" triplets, though), 2x 138 tonnes, 2x 400 kN t.e. - I presume they feature some kind of macro slip controls, either.
Difference from outside seems to be a combined and enlarged air inlet grille on the right side behind behind the cabs, thus dictating the access door to be located further down the carbody into the engineroom.

General feature of all Luchansk "dash-U" units (even under latest "M62U"-s; yes, that "old-timer" still sells!) is the bolsterless, four-segment-guided bogie with Watt axlebox guidance, a feature also found in our Ludmillas, either, and which I suspect a remote successor of the "TG400" Henschel DH-prototype for SZD in 1962. That Luchansk bogie rides nice, anyway, though of 1967 origin ("Birth" of first Ludmilla internal prototypes, with AC-DC-transmission)

>> KTZ is modernizing its railways to meet the increased demand for freight and passenger traffic created by economic development.<<

Yes, they purchased some modern new Talgo rolling stock recently, too, and apparently are fed up by "towing them" with aging M62 units. Maybe they wish to upgrade the TE10U to some higher speed. I doubt if this would work with nose-suspended traction motors, though. KTZ's P.W. departments will rightly complain. Traction motors seem to remain the Charkov-built ED119 items, I'd presume.

Alternatives: Is it just that the 2-stroke engine is out-of-date in the loco environment ? Even from builder Kolomna engine works (DB have the 4-stroke-variety, recently refitting 64 cl.232 from 16-cyl. "5 D 49" (GOST-compliant designation: "16ChN26/16") engines into cl. 233 with 12-cyl. "12 D 49" engines, of the same power) - advantage was that the alternators and excitation circuits could be retained. So, DB got the advantage of an improved thermal unit, without sacrificing proven "SD-x-2-like" electrical technology for - hm, being innovative friendly, I hesitate, but, ok - novel electrical stuff not harmonizing with the loco's design and wiring layout.

It seems that an equivalent Kolomna retrofit as in Germany was unwanted in Kasakhstan, to reduce dependency from "Big Brother" to some extent. There's plenty more domestic, UK, F, and US competion in Germany to prevent rendering Kolomna a monopoly supplier.

Kind regards,

Thanks for posting the links! Don't know much about Russion diesels, but these things really have a sound! They remind me of FM Trainmasters on steroids. Same kind of deep bass, drumming exhaust. Could the engines be OP type or are they V-somethings?

WOW wouldn't you hate to be the Engineer on the pusher ?

Yikes...

My guess is they burn crushed tires...

What's with the steering wheels in the cab?

Thanks...

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Originally posted by Tom Burke:
Yikes...

My guess is they burn crushed tires...

What's with the steering wheels in the cab?

Thanks...

That wheel seems to be the throttle.

Many European locos use a "steering wheel" type of throttle controller. On both electrics and diesels. Actually you could think of the North American throttle handles (on AAR control stands) as just a spoke of a wheel since they do rotate around a pivot point.

Wyhog